Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters/Bio

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  nomination withdrawn after the collapsing of the Published works section. Cunard (talk) 06:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters/Bio
MfDs for this page:  WP:STALEDRAFT states: "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion." Because this page violates WP:NOTWEBHOST and WP:STALEDRAFT, it should be deleted. No improvements to the page have been made since 2 February 2010. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters/Bio was reviewed at Deletion review/Log/2010 February 21, where I supported overturning and relisting at MfD. The DRV closer wrote: "Restore. I will userfy the deleted mainspace article to User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters/Bio where it will be subject to an MfD nomination if desired but not to speedy deletion." Cunard (talk) 18:22, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep per WP:UPYES and Editors matter. A short autobiographical page such as this is appropriate use of an editor's userspace per WP:UPYES. Cunard, why don't you go ask User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters why he is currently disillusioned with Wikipedia after the mess with the speedy deletion of his bio from his userspace and follow up DRV which overturned it? This is MFD is an example of yet another cause of the editor retention problem Sue Gardner mentioned in the March 2011 update which was also covered in the Signpost. --Tothwolf (talk) 21:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This content was deleted after Articles for deletion/David Mertz (3rd nomination). Indefinitely hosting deleted content in the userspace is prohibited. While limited autobiographical information is permissible, this page, with its long list of "Published works" and references, masquerades as a real article and violates WP:UP. Cunard (talk) 22:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree. This short autobiography is no different from any of the other short autobiographies many other editors keep in their userspace or as their main userpage. While you or I may not keep a biography in our userspace, a sizable number of editors do. This MFD amounts to biting an established editor and it is not appropriate.
 * User pages states: "User pages mainly are for interpersonal discussion, notices, testing and drafts, and, if desired, limited autobiographical and personal content."
 * User pages states: "Limited autobiographical content For example, languages you know (see Babel) or fields you have knowledge in."
 * User pages states: "Remember that a limited amount of personal information (perhaps a short biography) and a freely licensed tasteful personal photograph or two are usually allowed if the page reasonably complies with other requirements."
 * Earlier AfD arguments amounted to "Lulu edited his own article". Keeping his bio in his userspace per the user pages guideline also solves any remaining issues in this area. Moreover, the 3rd AfD was a bad faith nomination by User:JBsupreme as part of a larger pattern of harassment of several editors (including myself) which was discussed in depth at AN/I, (see this discussion and the others linked in the timeline below) eventually leading to JBsupreme receiving a block per community consensus and being sanctioned by ArbCom after yet another lengthy AN/I discussion. Rather than include a long list of links to AN/I discussions and diffs here, see this timeline of events for links and more details: User:Tothwolf/Interactions of JBsupreme and Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters --Tothwolf (talk) 00:33, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The discussion about 's alleged improper conduct has relevance to this draft's history but little relevance to the current MfD discussion. An underlying theme in your above quotes is "limited autobiographical and personal content" (my bolding). I dispute that this content is limited. Framed as an actual Wikipedia article, the userspace draft, with its four paragraphs of autobiographical information, a long list of published works and references, breaches the letter and spirit of WP:UP. WP:USERBIO prohibits "[i]nappropriate or excessive personal information unrelated to Wikipedia". Cunard (talk) 03:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "Framed as an actual Wikipedia article [...]" That's an easy fix: Hopefully Lulu doesn't mind me making that edit. --Tothwolf (talk) 04:23, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The addition of Userpage does not rectify the "[i]nappropriate or excessive personal information unrelated to Wikipedia" prohibited by WP:USERBIO. If kept, this page will have to be shortened. Cunard (talk) 04:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see any "inappropriate or excessive personal information unrelated to Wikipedia" which would need to be trimmed. Lulu edits in these topic areas and even though I don't see him having any "conflict of interest" issues, having this bio page as it is prevents editors from making claims of WP:COI towards Lulu. The conflict of interest guideline itself also states: "They are also encouraged to disclose their interest on their user pages [...]". --Tothwolf (talk) 04:42, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I do consider the "Published works" section to be excessive and the "References" section to be unnecessary. Would you agree with removing them? Cunard (talk) 04:46, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that would be better discussed with Lulu himself. I personally don't have any issues with his list of published works because we have other editors on Wikipedia who are published authors that have similar content on their userpages. I actually went and read some of the linked papers and and found them rather informative. --Tothwolf (talk) 05:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * A long list of external links to his published works is against the spirit of WP:LINKFARM. Just as Wikipedia articles should not be a collection of links, nor should user pages contain excessive links. Lulu is inactive at the moment, so I cannot discuss this breach of policy with him. If you do not object to the removal of the published works section, references section, and categories, I will remove them and close this MfD as "nomination withdrawn". Cunard (talk) 05:22, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed the mainspace categories as those weren't needed. I don't want to touch the rest, as that should be up to Lulu. As far as Lulu being inactive, try leaving him a note on his talk page and send him an email to make sure he sees it. Because this is userspace and not mainspace, it would be acceptable to use a collapse template in the Published works section, which I've seen done before too. --Tothwolf (talk) 05:40, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * For privacy reasons, I do not communicate via email with other users except when some material needs to be oversighted. I have removed the references and collapsed the published works section per your suggestion. I have left a note on Lulu's talk page apprising him of my edits. If you agree with closing this MfD, I will close it. Cunard (talk) 06:04, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The collapse template does seem to help make the bio more readable. I have no objections to closing the MFD. --Tothwolf (talk) 06:33, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. I have closed the MfD. Cunard (talk) 06:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.