Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Mathias Hollstein

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  Keep. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 18:53, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

User:Mathias Hollstein


This page would be eligible for speedy deletion under criterion WP:U5 ("Wikipedia is not a web host"), except that it does make reference to editing Wikipedia. However, in the eight months since setting up this user page, the user has made no edits to any other page on English Wikipedia Noyster  (talk),  12:30, 17 March 2017 (UTC)


 * As the last time the statement is as follows: "I cannot and will not (ever) publish, donate or anything else under my real name, since I contribute in areas such as intelligence and politics" (especially when it comes to BND, NSA and other agencies). Please follow the 3rd party links within the lower section of my user page, if you have any doubt about what I just said. I am part of the community and feel I have the right to be visible. Thanks for your reconsideration in advance!
 * Mathias Hollstein (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Mathias Hollstein Thank you for your message. Let me explain that entries at Miscellany for deletion normally remain open for discussion for a period of seven days. I am sorry but I cannot myself close the discussion of your user page there, as I am not myself a Wikipedia administrator and in any case other editors may wish to add their views.
 * In the meantime if you should decide to request the deletion of your own user page, you may do this by adding to the top of the page. As regards protection of the page, you could make a request here, but such a request might be refused on the grounds that by our protection policy "pages in userspace should not be automatically or pre-emptively protected", and your user page shows no history of vandalism or abuse. I hope this clarifies the situation.
 * One final thought: I'm not familiar with Citizendium, but our article about it tells us that unlike Wikipedia, contributions there must be made under their authors' real names. If you do wish to edit Wikipedia without linking your edits to your name, I'm sure your contributions will be very welcome; but in that case I can see no place for a user page, which has the function as explained here of "organizing and aiding the work users do on Wikipedia, and facilitating interaction and sharing between users". With regards Noyster (talk),  20:11, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * (CONTENT ABOVE COPIED FROM NOYSTER's  PAGE.)
 * Thank you again for your reply, Noyster! I will then consider to wait for the 7-day period of time to pass.
 * In addition to that I just read within the mentioned article (Wikipedia User Pages), that "limited autobiographical content" is in fact acceptable on user pages. My user page is similar to the one of the Wikipedia founder (quote from my user page: "Given the style, you may have noticed it looks similar to the one of Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales. That is intentional, since he set a great example."). I think that is an irony somehow, since my user page is marked for deletion for (exactly) that reason — because it is similar to Jimmy Wales' user page!? How can that be? Also the article Wikipedia User Pages explicitly says, that bio content is in fact allowed.
 * Finally I agree with your note on Citizendium, to the extend that it requires real names. However, they are much more relaxed on user page style and content.
 * Mathias Hollstein (talk) 21:55, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * , I think 's main concern is that you do not appear to be part of the Wikipedia community. Your account has made no edits to any page besides your userpage and pages directly related to it. I must admit that I'm not sure why you're wanting to keep the userpage of an account that has never actually edited any Wikipedia article. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 16:40, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Howicus, I actually understand your concern. However to me that seems to be a problem with the Wikipedia itself, since it does not provide adequate protection mechanisms for users. I can either go anonymously or register with a nickname and do my thing, which however would make it hard for me to add my bio on a user page then. The point here is that I can't/won't publish, donate or do anything else under my real name, because I contribute in areas such as intelligence and politics. As an alternative I could go on an register with my real name and add my bio on my user page then, however that would mean to contribute to Wikipedia articles with either a nickname or anonymously (reason see above). You see, one cannot have both here; have the cloak and present oneself. Interestingly for the last eight months it was not a problem, but turned into one when I made a minor edit on my user page. The reason why I want to keep the page is that I'm in fact part of the Wikipedia community.
 * Mathias Hollstein (talk) 20:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. A user page for an account that does not edit Wikipedia serves no purpose., since you never contribute to Wikipedia using the account "Mathias Hollstein", the account is not a part of the Wikipedia community whether or not you as a person are. So keeping a Wikipedia user page with your biography using that account is the same in my mind as using Wikipedia as a web host. (As an aside I assume this page showed up on some "recent changes" feed, which is why it's only being brought up now). Howicus (Did I mess up?) 00:47, 20 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. As Mathias Hollstein has now started editing articles using this account, my concerns are addressed. The page now serves a purpose. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 01:19, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. For the various reasons already stated and since the user now publicaly contributes to the Wikipedia in non-critical areas. Please see the edit count and recent contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathias Hollstein (talk • contribs) 01:10, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.