Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Montanabw/Brat in a bubble

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  keep. (NAC) ///Euro Car  GT  05:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Montanabw/Brat in a bubble


"Generally, though not always", I find picking out specific genders as having undesirable qualities, while advertising those qualities as being a supposed major problem for the entire project, as being something that makes the WP:GENDERGAP worse. Not better. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC) Nomination withdrawn - it seems very clear the community prefers to keep this type of material, in its amended version at least. While that's a somewhat concerning sign of attitudes in the community, this nomination has a snowball's chance in hell of changing such attitudes. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:46, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: This is a draft page in userspace and incomplete. However, in the spirit of cooperation, I have edited out specific language with which some may take offense. I think it is a major concern for wikipedia and I have been playing with the idea for quite some time (over a year).  Also cross-posting to interested parties   Montanabw (talk)  20:34, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. No more offensive (indeed, a lot less offensive) than Jimbo's recent ramblings at Wikimania. Black Kite (talk) 20:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * A race to the bottom is not what we seek. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:57, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Not the point. It doesn't call anyone out directly, and it's bloody accurate to boot. Black Kite (talk) 21:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * So would "Bitch in a bubble" be OK too, as an expression of personal perceptions, if it didn't "call anyone out directly"? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:03, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well there's a strawman for you, given the changes. "Brat" is gender, race and sexuality-neutral, so I don't see the problem. Black Kite (talk) 21:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * But it’s arguably adultist (or, in context, ephebiphobic).—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  04:07, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * "Bitch in a bubble" was inspired by the original, not the changed version. But regardless, I don't perceive "Brat" to be as soullessly ultra-neutral as you do. Just as people might have differing views on whether "bitch" is offensive or not. Either way, it wouldn't need a particular title to be a plainly divisive and unhelpful essay, now would it? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:28, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * False equivalence. Brats can be male or female.  The equivalent of "bitch" would be "d---head" "p---k" or or something of that sort.  I do not intend that nuance.  Here, I am discussing immaturity and behavior that disrupts content contributors.   Montanabw (talk)  22:47, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Meh. I refer you again to my initial comment. "Divisive" appears to be the standard modus operandi of the WMF these days, so I don't see how an essay disagreeing with that particular view is an issue, indeed it would be logical for editors who disagree to be able to articulate that. Black Kite (talk) 21:33, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I personally don't think that we should base our community's decisions about content (even userpage content) on the way the WMF behaves. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:39, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, that's something for discussion, but I hardly think it merits an XfD. Black Kite (talk) 21:43, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * (ec)Keep, with the author's linked edits (which highlight behavior without linking it to gender, which IMO is a mistake). I've seen far more offensive things posted on Wales' talk page, and indeed on some task force pages. Intothatdarkness 20:59, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Shall we try not to start out by thinking what OTHERSTUFF we can remember that was worse? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:29, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * How about letting people express their opinions/positions without badgering or sounding overly pedantic? And if you really want to get rid of offensive content, why not start with DICK? This doesn't even register by comparison. Intothatdarkness 22:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've actually advocated for that, but have no time to initiate the drama, only to add to an existing chorus as needed.  Montanabw (talk)  22:47, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as innocuous rambling at worst and possible draft of a more sophisticated essay at best. Certainly not in the top 10 percent of bad things on user pages. What's next, you'll try to get rid of my temporary sandbox that's about to go up with 50 plus articles and studies about Wikipedia's gender gap and includes several articles about some men being sexist on Wikipedia? Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 22:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:PROMO/ WP:CANVASS - you're good, and it is a good example of one of the types being referred to in this userspace draft. Love it. - Sitush (talk) 23:35, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Material is in a userspace and not patently offensive, attacking individuals, or any other normal reason for deletion of userspace pages.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please  22:20, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I really do not see what the issue is here. Where is the gender gap problem? Demiurge, perhaps there was an issue when you nominated this (I would disagree) but do you still see an issue following the recent changes linked above? If not, maybe you could withdraw. Regardless of WP:OSE, I have seen a lot worse in the way of almost-blindly insulting people, most recently in the transcript of a speech at Wikimania this weekend. - Sitush (talk) 23:35, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: echoing EvergreenFir above. I see no reason to delete a relatively benign userpage draft. Fylbecatulous talk 01:05, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.