Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ndreams

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was page moved to mainspace by author and there speedied. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Ndreams


User page used to host an article about a non-notable student pub; no chance of surviving WP:CSD if it should ever be moved into article space; not legitimate user page content under WP:FAKEARTICLE. Editor has no other contributions. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * A parody of a real article? A less extreme parody than this one?  Paradies can be useful, and welcome, but not from SPAs.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:28, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

This student pub is real, it's located at the University of Guelph in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Also I'm wondering how do I add sourcing info. to the images, like the author(of who took the pictures)?Ndreams (talk) 13:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC)Naiome


 * Maybe there's a misunderstanding. We don't doubt the place is real. We doubt it's notable. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:57, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello Naiome. Your images and their associated information are not the issue here. The problem is that Wikipedia only covers subjects that have already been covered by reliable third party sources. The sources for the pub don't quite meet that standard. Our specific guideline is Notability, which does not quite follow the usual english meaning of the word. What we want is some discussion of the pub by a publisher not associated with the university.

You've written this article not in mainspace, the encylopedia-proper, but in UserSpace, on your personal userpage. Your userpage is usually intended for you to describe yourself. A concern here is that you are effectively using userspace to host a pseudo-article that would not be acceped in mainspace.

Is there any chance that you can located publications that review or discuss the pub, and where both the publisher and author have no connection to the pub? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:07, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay I see. Well we have thoroughly researched this topic online and the only reputable as a matter of fact only source providing information about it is the University of Guelph's links we added. I am not sure how we can cite other websites if the pub is not very popular or discussed elsewhere since it is a small business. Ndreams (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)Naiome Also I thought you create your article here and after you are satisfied with it, you then move it in the main space? Perhaps I'm missing something here Ndreams (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)Naiome
 * If there are no other sources discussing it, then I'm afraid that's just it: that's precisely the reason why I'm saying the page will be deleted. About its being in user space, yes, you're right, it's a legitimate (and, in fact, recommended) way to start an article in user space and then move it. But that only makes sense if the topic is such that it has a chance of surviving as an actual article. If you were to move this page into main article space now, it wouldn't last a day; the first admin to pass by would nuke it from orbit without even as much as this discussion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:46, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, does a forum style website where people discuss random things count? or what about something like wikimap.org?Ndreams (talk) 22:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)Naiome

Okay, does a forum style website where people discuss random things count? or what about something like wikimap.org? Ndreams (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)Naiome


 * Well, you almost answered this one yourself. No, I'm afraid it doesn't. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:49, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Procedural note: The author has now moved her userspace draft into mainspace while this MFD was running. Being now an article, it now falls under WP:CSD and has been speedily deleted, as explained above. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.