Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Paptilian/Official State of Colorado, U.S.A. Article Project.

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  speedy delete as U1 by User:Athaenara. (non-admin closure)  PorkchopGMX  (talk • contribs • Merry Christmas!) 13:46, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

User:Paptilian/Official State of Colorado, U.S.A. Article Project.

 * – (View MfD)

WP:NOTWEBHOST Guy Macon (talk) 19:54, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note I originally speedied it U5, the author wanted it back, I restored it, but it should absolutely get deleted again at the end of the MfD. I restored it merely as a courtesy to an editor who didn't have an email to send the deleted page contents to. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:19, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The user has too many mainspace edits for U5 to be valid. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:31, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete; blatant misuse of Wikipedia as a webhost (I've already deleted one of these), and the creator asking for it to be restored doesn't somehow stop this being an abuse of Wikipedia. Most of the rest of this slushpile should probably also go. &#8209; Iridescent 21:35, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete' - I am not entirely sure what this is, but it does not belong in Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:06, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what is going on with these pages. All is not well, for sure. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * also has some pages that sort of look like drafts, but appear (maybe?) to be related to him somehow not getting the news Colorado was admitted to the Union as the 38th state in 1876:


 * User:Paptilian/Colorado
 * User:Paptilian/Colorado/State of Colorado Lands
 * User:Paptilian/Colorado State Buildings
 * User:Paptilian/Flags of Colorado
 * User:Paptilian/History of Rail Transport in Colorado
 * User:Paptilian/List of streamlined trainsets in the USA
 * User:Paptilian/Narrow-guage rail transport modelling
 * User:Paptilian/Official State of Colorado, U.S.A. Article Project. (already at AfD)
 * User:Paptilian/Rail transport
 * User:Paptilian/Reading Material
 * User:Paptilian/Transportation


 * He also has more of the same stuffed away on Commons:


 * commons:User:Paptilian/Library of Ancient Peoples about the area surrounding the State of Colorado, U.S.A.
 * commons:User:Paptilian/Quivira


 * I just can't stop trying to figure our where he is going with this. Part of it looks like drafting legitimate articles. Part of it makes no sense at all. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nupqLGHXSvs ]. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:14, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Greetings all, I am Paptilian. I see I've made a mess of things. I promise there is/are no malicious intents on this order of things I use to research what I research. I put a lot of thought into my research. I write prose that I might understand what I know. The links take me to the places that relate to what I write. The question now here is this. Am I to be tossed out? And what about community, that third foundation? I have received nothing but speedy. I have in timid ways solicited comments for things. I have this time solicited a call to assemble. Now the question is, have I violated some taboo topic. I've been taken for being an idiot more than once in my life. However, I am quite intelligent. I see things that are not always obvious to the unaware. Like how I choose to prose my writing. Sometimes it comes in varying tenses and other times it comes out of chronology. What you, my friends are seeing is that construction I require in my brain to understand what I am studying. And It all just don't fit on one page, and the many conglomerate topics, subjects, diversions, etc well they make what you are seeing here. Now the question is Can I be trained and who would take on such a task and why should they? Like I mentioned it is easier to let spell check do its thing than take the responsibility on to type it right first. How does that apply? I return to the Question Am I to be tossed out? Maybe I should be. Who plays Supreme Commander? Would the consensus here declare That I may Wiki on if I do what ? I now have a loss of interest as I've been days on this one. I should say 10 or twelve. I apologize for any inconvenience to any one here. I promise no more calls to assembly. and I will fade back into my obscurity. My world. Or I am open ears to improvement. Thank all of you for your patience. I am sincerely yours, User:Paptilian, I am myself. Paptilian  (talk)  05:21, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Nobody's talking about "tossing you out". If you want to stay and contribute at Wikipedia, you're very welcome to, but you need to appreciate that Wikipedia isn't a general web hosting service or blogging site. Despite our size, we actually have a fairly narrow remit—all that we do is provide summaries of what independent reliable sources say about a given topic. None of these pages you've created appear to fit into this. As with (it appears) everyone else, I'm not entirely clear what these pages are, but unless it's something that fits into Wikipedia's remit it's not something we should be hosting. &#8209; Iridescent 07:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Nobody's talking about "tossing you out". If you want to stay and contribute at Wikipedia, you're very welcome to, but you need to appreciate that Wikipedia isn't a general web hosting service or blogging site. Despite our size, we actually have a fairly narrow remit—all that we do is provide summaries of what independent reliable sources say about a given topic. None of these pages you've created appear to fit into this. As with (it appears) everyone else, I'm not entirely clear what these pages are, but unless it's something that fits into Wikipedia's remit it's not something we should be hosting. &#8209; Iridescent 07:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Remit is new to me. but you make it sound legit, I do not contest any deletion. Understanding is the key. Proper perspesctive make a diff. I am not too sure about some of the things that go on here. I started editing wiki on topics of my study research. My research has been greatly aided by my user (page). First, I read what Wikipedia says about a topic. Second I translate what I read into what I understand. Third, If in my understanding I can make a logical edit to the/an article to improve in some way as see it based on my extra reading of the guides or manual etc, Fourth, I edit the mainspace. At the mainspace I try to mind all my manners. I realize what I have done here. Stirring hornets' nests. There is a lot more Wikipedias article space that truly is garbage. manual of style, layout of page, giant boxes of project info, many things I could sit here and itemize. Not my purpose here to do. My purpose here, is to make it a better place for research, of which I will continue to strive for. I have not had much luck at the communicating with others. So far many have taken ownership of an article and disallowing others to edit or their belligerent attitude. No worries there either folks. I can move on to other ventures. I detect an ideal here at Wikipedia. I see it a beautiful thing. That is where I seek to do my editing. In my brain, there may never be a conclusion to this negativity stuff so many ruffians use to ward someone off. It is my duty to erase that with that Wikilove spoken of so often. However, in conclusion, I leave this. Thank you for giving me a better understanding, I'm off to find out what remit means now. sincerely, I am Paptilian. Paptilian  (talk)  11:06, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * And now we are seeing things like this: User talk:Clepsydrae -- posting walls of text on talk page of another disruptive editor.
 * We have drifted away from what should be at an MfD, and this thread really needs to be either moved to someplace appropriate (ANI?) or closed and collapsed. and, please advise. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:05, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I still think MFD is just about the correct venue, since what's under discussion is whether this is a genuine attempt at a draft or a piece of disruptive editing, and what Paptilian intends to do with it is germane to whether there's any reason to keep it. If disruption and envelope-pushing continues I'll start a WP:ANI discussion about the conduct issues (there's a reasonable possibility that Paptilian is trying to help and just doesn't understand what is and isn't appropriate, rather than someone intentionally being inappropriate), but this isn't the place to discuss that. &#8209; Iridescent 20:03, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. So should we MfD any of the other pages I listed above? Some, like User:Paptilian/Flags of Colorado seem like the kind of thing many users stash away to help with future edits -- until you read the text in the lead. Others, like User:Paptilian/Reading Material are a bit...odd. I don't see any of this ever ending up improving any actual article. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Most of them should probably be deleted (I've already speedied one of them myself), but my AGF interpretation is that these could be a very rough draft of an attempt at a valid article. Since they're not actively damaging in userspace there's no particular rush—wait and see if Paptilian can make a valid case to keep this page (which appears to be the parent page) and then we'll know if the subpages are going to be worth keeping. &#8209; Iridescent 20:41, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree. how about this: we leave the subpages of your user page alone and let you try to create articles out of them, and in return you stop posting walls of text to random user's talk pages? Deal? --Guy Macon (talk) 21:45, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you shall find me quite cooperative. Eventually I will learn all these little taboos. Consider this My personal Public Apology for any inconvenience I've caused. Paptilian   (talk)  21:52, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you shall find me quite cooperative. Eventually I will learn all these little taboos. Consider this My personal Public Apology for any inconvenience I've caused. Paptilian   (talk)  21:52, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Given the above discussion, I would like to Withdraw this nomination, but only if nobody else objects. If you still want it deleted please reply to this so that it doesn't get closed. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:03, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep all. These are obviously User sandbox and Userspace draft pages, intended for article, image, and wikiproject work. I have tagged them all as such, so they can no longer be confused with articles.  The editor just needs to be careful not to put any more of these into mainspace by accident, as they did with what it now User:Paptilian/Official State of Colorado, U.S.A. Article Project.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.