Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Pink Fae/Userboxes/bathroomuse1

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The result of the discussion was:  delete. ✗ plicit  23:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

User:Pink Fae/Userboxes/bathroomuse1

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I’m assuming this was made in good faith (I mean, a trans user made it) but it still strikes me as discriminatory to trans people who do not wish to undergo sexual reassignment surgery. Dronebogus (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Actually, its quite hard to comprehend that a trans user could create something like this. —Sundostund (talk) 22:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * *Keep. This is actually a valid viewpoint that those in the trans community and outside of hold. I'm not seeing any evidence through sources about discrimination against trans people who do not wish to undergo sexual reassignment surgery. By definition the word "trans" means "transitioning", and there are those in the trans community who hate their body parts. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:25, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * "Trans" does not by definition mean "transitioning". Transgender is derived from Latin "trans" (across, over, on the other side of) + "gender". Plenty of other words in English start with trans: transaction, transnational, transport, translation, and yes, transition. The "trans" in transgender does no more stand for any of these than the "hetero" in heterosexual stands for, say, "heterozygote" or "heterogenous" or "heterotroph".
 * Additionally, no one's disputing that a good many trans folks do transition, or that many of them do have, or plan to have, bottom surgery. What's being disagreed with is the notion that one has to have bottom surgery in order for their gender identity to be deemed valid/for someone to be "really" trans. Even without going into the whole explanation of why and how some folks can genuinely not want bottom surgery&mdash;and yes, someone can be trans and not want bottom surgery&mdash;plenty of folks do not get bottom surgery for other reasons than being okay with their current genitals.
 * Just look into the sheer barriers people face trying to get surgery. Or look into the costs associated with such surgery. (And then take into account that trans folks are more likely than average to face poverty) Or the many folks in countries where such surgery just plain isn't available. Or the waiting lists in many other countries where it is. Or the medical contra-indications that make such surgery plain not safe to some folks. Or the risks and complications associated with such surgery even without those contra-indications. Or hell, consider that up until fairly recently, options for especially FtM surgery were far from great, and still aren't exactly ideal to many folks, but there's finally progress being made and some folks choose to wait in the hopes better options will become available soon. AddWitty  NameHere  20:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I’m not sure what that has to do with not wanting bottom surgery. Dronebogus (talk) 09:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess the main issue is that "Trans" is actually an umbrella term for a number of different things. It becomes very confusing and unclear sometimes for those who are outside of the population group. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Pretty discriminatory to trans and non-binary individuals who do not want to undergo bottom surgery, regardless of their reason why. Sideswipe9th (talk) 19:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
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