Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:PlanespotterA320/Userboxes/Supports Assad

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. ✗ plicit  11:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

User:PlanespotterA320/Userboxes/Supports Assad

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Fails WP:UBCR. Expresses support for a leader known for his authoritarian behavior and poor human rights record, created by a user blocked for genocide denialism, mainly used by inactive users. Unnecessarily inflammatory and unlikely to find use by the general userbase. Dronebogus (talk) 23:59, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. Beside the obscurity issue, there is no reason for the project to have an userbox like this, which expresses support for a leader who almost certainly committed genocide against his own people, in a decade-long civil war, and basically function as a Russian-controlled puppet for years now. —Sundostund (talk) 00:21, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment this was already attempted by the same nominator with a Trump userbox and failed. Nominating userboxes for deletion, just because you don't like them (as opposed to reasons based on policies & guidelines), and always seemingly when the person who the userbox belongs to is blocked and can't respond is, well... as they say, just not cricket.


 * I'm not a fan of either leader (or either editor tbh), but just the same, we give users more latitude towards what they can have in their userspace. Wikipedia has editors from all over the world, including Syria. How do we tell them they are not allowed to show support for their country's leader? Wouldn't we have to apply that across the board? Ban all userboxes about all leaders and politicians, from all countries, present and past? - w o lf  02:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I’m not nominating this for deletion because “I don’t like it”. I’m nominating it for deletion because it was brought to my attention as potentially disruptive. If the creator is blocked for genocide denial I don’t really think their opinion matters that much. Dronebogus (talk) 02:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Although not thinking anything positive about Trump, I still think its unfair to equalize him, and (almost) any other country's leader, with a man who is basically waging a war against his own country for more than a decade now, with the help of his Russian and Iranian protectors. The war which, pretty much certainly, evolved into a genocide long ago. Do we really need userboxes that support him? Also, can anyone blame the nominator because the creator of the userbox in question got themselves blocked for genocide denial? Really? —Sundostund (talk) 05:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Trump is widely regarded as a bad man with authoritarian sympathies, but he wasn’t a genocidal dictator. Dronebogus (talk) 06:30, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "I’m nominating it for deletion because it was brought to my attention as potentially disruptive." - So then it hasn't been actually disruptive then, it was simply one editor,, (who !voted above) asking you about it. You still haven't cited any policy or guideline to support deletion. Like I said, I don't like either of them, but that's not the point. As controversial as he is, Assad is the President of Syria. If this is a global project that is truly inclusive of everyone, from everywhere, then we also need to accept them regardless of their culture, faith, political leanings, etc., etc. If you're going to push to have a userbox deleted becuase you don't like the leader in it, then you should be calling for all political userboxes to be deleted. In that Trump MfD, you even said to : "But dealing with boxes on a case-by-case basis based solely on editor discretion seems more divisive than just saying “no you can’t have this end of story”". And also, this habit of going after userpages of blocked editors smacks of gravedancing. - w o lf  15:48, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I literally added WP:UBCR to the original rationale. Please stop bludgeoning and using ad hominem attacks. Dronebogus (talk) 20:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Erm... I posted a !vote comment and a single reply. You've actually posted more replies, and off-topic at that, so if anyone is "bludgeoning" here, it's not me. That makes your accusation false and a violation of wp:npa. (Speaking of which, I've not posted any "ad hominem attacks".) I'm not sure there's really anything else to say, but if you must reply again, try to focus on WP:EDITSNOTEDITORS, mmkay? - w o lf  02:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I considered it bludgeoning because you posted the same appeal-to-tolerance argument twice (including the exact same “if Assad then everybody else must go” appendix), and ad hominem because you keep bringing up old unrelated incidents and claiming I nominated it because “I just don’t like it” even though I explained I think it violates userbox guidelines. Dronebogus (talk) 02:40, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oy. Let's just agree to disagree. - w o lf  04:38, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment am wondering which precise part of WP:UBCR the nominator cites. "inflammatory or substantially divisive", probably, but that could go for literally every politically-related userbox on here. Same goes for "Opinion pieces, particularly on current affairs or politics", and "Propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind (commercial, political, religious, or otherwise)". User:Kaleeb18/Userboxes/al-Assad Court, for example, would appear to the opposite subset of the world population to be an inflammatory, propaganda-like political opinion. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:36, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The UN has implicated Assad in human rights abuses, wanting to see him brought to justice isn’t just some rando hater opinion just like supporting him isn’t just a controversial political opinion. This is closer to WP:NONAZIS than “orange man bad” Dronebogus (talk) 06:14, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That also looks like a good candidate for deletion. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 19:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unlike the broad statement below this one is overly specific. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:11, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * which statement are you referring to? (There's nothing "below"). Are you referring to a comment above or the userbox? The ubx states: "" - doesn't every Syrian, or anyone else ftm, have as much might right to support a particular world leader, as anyone else does any other world leader? Isn't it currently in vogue for just about everyone, from the wokerati on, to be against imperialism (and colonnialism, etc, etc.), and finally, didn't much of the western world, led by the US and supported by the UN, fight two different wars, in Afghanistan and Iraq, largely because of "foreign-sponsored jihadism"...? That said, it still seems there is no actual policy or guideline to support deletion here, and we don't delete just because we don't like a particular country. (ftr, I don't like Assad, but I wouldn't want people trying to delete my userspace content just becuase they don't like my country either...) - w o lf  15:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:UBCR, specifically "Propaganda, advocacy, or recruitment of any kind (commercial, political, religious, or otherwise)" and "Opinion pieces, particularly on current affairs or politics" which both seem to cover this userbox. Arguments that other pages exist or do not exist are not valid arguments to keep or delete *this* infobox, see WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 19:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
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