Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rascal the Peaceful/Secret Page Challenge




 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 20:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

User:Rascal the Peaceful/Secret Page Challenge
Yet another hidden page silliness from someone who is probably not really conversant with what Wikipedia is for. → ROUX  ₪  23:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Rascal the Peaceful/Congrats!
 * User:Rascal the Peaceful/Dead end
 * User:Rascal the Peaceful/Secret Page Barnstar
 * User:Rascal the Peaceful/Secret Page Challenge
 * User:Rascal the Peaceful/Secret Page Challenge 2
 * User:Rascal the Peaceful/Secret Page Challenge 3
 * User:Rascal the Peaceful/Secret Page Challenge 4
 * User:Rascal the Peaceful/Secret Page Challenge 5
 * User:Rascal the Peaceful/Secret Page Barnstar
 * Delete - we are an encyclopaedia. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 00:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Makes my brain hurt. Per WP:BRAINPAIN. (ok, fine, WP:NOTMYSPACE) Gigs (talk) 02:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - A lot of people have hidden pages. And they've had them for awhile. So why only delete SOME of them? Before I made mine, everything was ok, never heard ONE complaint. After I made mine, Roux comes along and ruins everything! I just don't get it. One day, everything's good. The next...not so much. I think this is crazy! A user has their rights to make just about anything he or she wants to as long as its in the users own userspace. If you think its a waste of time, will fine. No ones forcing you to play. But you can't tell other users what to do. Because, correct me if I'm wrong, the last time I checked, none of you are admins. Neither am I. So we're even. You can't tell me what to do, and I can't tell you what to do. So leave Rascal the Peaceful alone. BIO  NIC  LE  233  15:19, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, users do not have the right to put anything in their userspace. Please see this page, which outlines what you can and cannot do. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and ultimately everything here must serve a purpose towards that end. Hidden page challenges have absolutely nothing to do with building an encyclopedia. As to whether we're admins or not doesn't matter; admins only have the community-granted ability to perform some technical tasks (deletions, protections, blocks), and are entrusted to close certain discussions. Beyond that, Wikipedia is an anarchy run on consensus. → ROUX   ₪  17:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In answer to "So why only delete SOME of them?", there are many Wikipedians who think we should delete all hidden pages. There are others who are willing to extend leeway to serious editors who have just one "hidden page" as a minor diversion, but not to people who come here just to play, and who create networks of whole groups of pages for this purpose. Between these two groups of Wikipedians there is a fairly strong consensus against the "just here to play" type. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all with haste; blatant misuse of userspace. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 19:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Not encyclopedia related, plus I couldn't get past the first link. -.--- SKATER  Speak. 20:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a social networking site. The page author should familiarize themself with material laid out at WP:WELCOME, work on one of the host of things to be done as suggested at Community portal, and otherwise perform actual encyclopedic work. -Optigan13 (talk) 21:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep :::My opinion is that the challenges should be kept. Maybe someone wants to take a break from editing but still mess around on Wikipedia. Page finds are ideal for this, ya know? Everyone enjoys them, though some can be enjoyably frustrating.Why should we delete these? It gives a little more fun to Wikipedia! Rascal the Peaceful  (t)  21:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I really think you don't understand what Wikipedia is for. I keep trying to explain: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not MySpace or Facebook or LiveJournal. What isn't clear about that? → ROUX   ₪  22:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Um whats clear is that you and your little gang of cyberbullies are attempting to user your numbers to reach a consensus. If you ask me, roux is trying to gang up on sever users who have less than 15,000 edits. And dont you say that im attacking you personally or dot being civil, I saw what you said on your talk page roux. Keep-- Coldplay   Expert  01:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Please go read this page, and you'll understand what is happening here. There's no gang of cyberbullies here; in fact, I have little but contempt for some of the people who have also voted to delete. The problem is that you are unwilling or unable to understand what Wikipedia is and what it is not. → ROUX   ₪  02:26, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I've never had any communication with Roux, and I have less then 15,000 edits, just pointing that out.-- SKATER  Speak. 19:49, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Even one page for a web-based game would be inappropriate, but a whole series of them is way outside of what userpages should be used for. --RL0919 (talk) 03:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, obviously. Wikipedia is meant to be an encyclopedia, not a toy. Wikipedia is not a webhost, and those who want to use it as one would be better off finding a free webhost. Recently there has been an increase in this kind of thing, with a large number of editors here only to play with Wikipedia, and a concerted effort is needed against it. The argument that "anyone has the right to do anything in their own user space" is just totally out of touch with all of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. A certain amount of leeway has traditionally been allowed to user space, but this has just been a concession, not an entitlement or rule. User_page, under the section heading What may I not have on my user page? says: Generally, you should avoid substantial content on your user page that is unrelated to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a general hosting service, so your user page is not a personal website. Your user page is about you as a Wikipedian, and pages in your user space should be used as part of your efforts to contribute to the project, and, even more relevant, goes on to give among examples of unsuitable content: Games, roleplaying sessions, and other things pertaining to "entertainment" rather than "writing an encyclopedia", particularly if they involve people who are not active participants in the project. Other relevant statements appear in several policies and guidelines. The answer to Maybe someone wants to take a break from editing but still mess around on Wikipedia is that they can easily find somewhere else to "mess around". The answers to Everyone enjoys them, though some can be enjoyably frustrating are (1) no, a small handful of people enjoy them and (2) there are lots of things that people enjoy, and there are lots of places where they can enjoy them, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia: go elsewhere for other things. The answer to the argument that nobody used to object to these things is Yes we did. As long as it was just an odd diversion on a small scale by genuine Wikipedia editors we reluctantly tended to tolerate it, because it wasn't worth the trouble it would take arguing against the people who wanted to do it. That did not mean that it was alright, or that people had a "right" to do it. Now, however, the situation has changed. This nonsense is being perpetrated on a large scale, in many cases by people who take little or no other part in editing Wikipedia, and come here purely to misuse Wikipedia. Naturally, under those circumstances, our response has to be more vigorous. Finally, there is the question "why only delete SOME of them?" The idea that because we can't manage to delete all of them we should delete none of them does not even begin to make sense. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:01, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:UP and WP:MYSPACE. JohnCD (talk) 12:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:UP "Generally, you should avoid substantial content on your user page that is unrelated to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a general hosting service, so your user page is not a personal website. Your user page is about you as a Wikipedian, and pages in your user space should be used as part of your efforts to contribute to the project...games, roleplaying sessions, and other things pertaining to "entertainment" rather than "writing an encyclopedia", particularly if they involve people who are not active participants in the project." (cannot be included) Deserted Cities (talk) 13:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: Rascal the Peaceful has made 18 edits to article-space, about 6% of his total. Deserted Cities (talk) 17:43, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per above.  Zoo Fari  00:34, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:NOTMYSPACE and WP:UP. Secret pages do not contribute to building the encyclopedia. Cunard (talk) 05:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment "No, users do not have the right to put anything in their userspace". Said Roux.

Well Roux, good thing I didn't say that. I said "A user has their rights to make just about anything he or she wants to as long as its in the users own userspace.

Not anything,just about anything BIO  NIC  LE  233  16:50, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think what he meant is that putting things in userspace isn't a right per se. Userspace is just a tool to facilitate improving the encyclopedia. Evil saltine (talk) 18:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What Evil saltine said. User do not have the right to put whatever they want in their userspace. It must be connected to improving the encyclopedia (read that link, because I really don't think you have). → ROUX   ₪  19:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:MYSPACE. Evil saltine (talk) 18:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Main activity of the unser t Wikipedia is playing these games.   DGG ( talk ) 06:57, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

CommentHere's an idea! Why don't you go talk to a real admin about this. What bothers me most is that roux is not a admin correct? He has no right to do this. After all, I never heard admins complain about hidden pages. So here's a deal for you roux: If 3 admins think hidden pages are problems, then I'll leave you alone. If 3 admins do NOT think they are problems then you and your friends stop immediately! I dare you. BIO NIC  LE  233  19:36, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * User:DGG is a real admin - see his opinion just above; and so is Hers fold  - see his opinion below. A third real admin will review this dicussion and make the decision what to do. JohnCD (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't appear to understand what admins do, or how MfD works (even though both have been explained to you before). The community--that means regular editors and admins--make their opinions known at MfD. Uninvolved admins then push the delete button if the consensus is that the page should be deleted. Admins do not have any special say in deletion discussions. And MfD is not about making deals. This page is unacceptable for userspace, period. →  ROUX   ₪  19:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Any editor may express his or her opinion in a deletion discussion. You seem to be under the impression that admins' opinions matter more than those of other editors, which is most certainly not the case. Evil saltine (talk) 20:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong delete Per DGG, these are games and this user needs to be aware that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a playground. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 21:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete more likely to distract from editing to build the encyclopaedia than anything else. Guest9999 (talk) 23:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


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