Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Red Lion, Inc.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the discussion was Delete--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 06:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Red Lion, Inc.
Userpage of an account with a "role account" name overtly proclaims an intent "to support and promote" certain books. Blatant NPOV violation (the username has already been blocked). Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  05:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy G11 - // roux    12:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Week keep No sign of "Red Lion, Inc." being a publisher. Indeed, no sign of it being a known corporation.  Dr. Diana Glyer is a real and likely notable person, and author of what appears to be a scholarly book on Lewis et al.  I suspect the user name was ill-chosen, but I have found a bunch of publishers using names here promoting their own books, and they seem to stay around. Here we have one English teacher being hit with a rulebook which really likely should have exceptions for cases like this.  As far as showing favoritism to certain authors -- I really do not count that as NPOV violation. And the "certian books" is actually "quality books" and the author's website lists quite a few, so it is not a commercial endeavor. Collect (talk) 12:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * comment - Promotion of organizations, clubs, etc. is still promotion. I happen to support the work the group claims to do (my wife's an Inklings scholar); that doesn't give them a free pass for promotional abuse of userpages. (And if you know of any "publishers using names here promoting their own books" please let the rest of us know so they can be held to consistent standards.) -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "Inklings" is not a live organization. It refers to a group of Oxford dons now all dead.  And I can find rather quickly a few dozen pages which would afoul of your srtict guidelies about promoting any interests on a user page .  E.g. groups specifically dedicated to issues like "Freemasonry" and the like. Definitely promotion of an organization or club, yet found since the start of WP.  As for publishers, I have run across a full dozen or more, and their existence is known to WP admins as far as I can tell with no ill effects.  Collect (talk) 13:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about promoting the Inklings; the "userpage" openly proclaims the intention to promote certain books about the Inklings, and is in the account of a corporation name (there are in fact several corporations in the U.S. alone by that name). (And I repeat: if you know of any "publishers using names here promoting their own books" please let the rest of us know so they can be held to consistent standards.) -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  02:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "Promote and support quality books" is not the same as "promote certain books" -- I would, indeed, hope and trust that we would all support "quality", no?   And I found no sign of the "corporation"  being a "genuine fictitious person" -- the name ought well be altered for that reason, but that is not what was sought.  And following MfD guidelines, this is not the place to present counterexamples, just to note that there are a nunber of them which I have found.  I suggest, if you wish to be the sleuth, that looking at certain authors and the lists of books and publishers, and then looking at who added the lists, might give some clues. Collect (talk) 15:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and make sure the user picks a new name. Using a business as your username is not allowed by username policy.- Mgm|(talk) 15:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.