Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sam1957/Kenny Marks


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Delete, WP:C applies to all namespaces and is not up for debate. Much evidence of good faith efforts to help this user, but sadly the fundamental problem is that the copyright is not his so the content is incompatible with Wikipedia's license terms. Guy (Help!) 15:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Sam1957/Kenny Marks
Well I tried... I noticed this user who had a stern warning on his talk page accusing him of vandalism, but a look at the situation revealed he is a new user who just had no idea what he was doing. He was obviously trying to create a page for a musician named Kenny Marks. So I posted a hello on his talk page, gave him the usual links to writing a first article, and to WP:VERIFY with an explanation that the subject has to be demonstratably notable, etc., and gave him a link to a userspace page where he could create the article. Unfortunately he ignored my advice, didn't really create an article, just a detailed discography, in a format completely incompatible with WP. BTW, from the length of the discography, it's possible the musician would qualify for verifiability; I'm really not sure. At the end of the list, the editor added in the full lyrics of a song. I posted another message explaining what was wrong with all this, advising he remove the lyrics, and read the articles I tried to show him before. The next thing that happened, is the musician himself came in as an anon IP and added autobiographicsl information which I've described as "blog-like". I went back to the user talk page and explained the whole thing is going from bad to worse, and he needs to remove all this stuff. I've waited a few days, and he hasn't come back, so I'm presuming the page is either abandoned, or the user considers it finished. As much as I hate to blow the whistle on a guy I was trying to help out, this page can't be allowed to stand. I have not posted an MfD box on his page; he already has enough warnings about what's wrong with it. A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See also the messages I left the user on his talk page. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd revert the last edit and give it a little more time. -- Ned Scott 06:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete due to copyvio noted by Jc37. -- Ned Scott 05:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The singer is probably notable, Google him. Even if not, this is userspace and the editor has the right to play around a little on article development.  There's nothing says that your sandbox has to have properly formatted pages about notable people.  But, WP:BLP and copyright issues are serious and need to be addressed.  The lyrics need to go for copyright reasons.  The comments ostensibly by the artist need to go for WP:COI/WP:NOTBLOG reasons.  If the artist wants to (and is legally able to) grant a GFDL license with respect to the lyrics or put them in the public domain, the lyrics themselves would still need to be significant enough to survive WP:NOTBLOG (I am assuming that the artist is notable, but I really don't know).--Doug.(talk • contribs) 01:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - The discography is a straight copy-vio from here. (You have to click on each "read creadits" link to see.) This is merely a guess based on the text, but the IP addition would appear to be a copy vio as well, rather than an artist addition. - jc37 01:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Concur with jc, someone who hasn't commented yet, please just Speedy G12 the page ASAP.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 02:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, but with notification: If the user is simply using his/her user page as a reminder, he/she sould be notified to move the material to a word document before deletion. DarkFireYoshi (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Speedy Deleted but want reviewed - Folks, it has sat for nearly two days and copyvios are serious matters and can't be allowed to just sit around, so I've deleted it. If anyone objects I will undelete or any other admin can, but I'd like an uninvolved admin to review this and close the discussion if all is well.  Please don't close by an non-admin because the closer should be able to undo my action if deemed necessary.  Thanks.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 20:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I support both the speedy, and the wish for an uninvolved admin to close this. - jc37 05:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So how long are we going to wait around before this gets closed? Because I see no reason why a non admin cannot close it, as I would have by now. Complaints about speedy deletion should be taken to DRV. This is highly unorthodox.  Syn  ergy 01:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and so was my deletion after having commented.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 04:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC). Although my comment was actually leaning to keep, I was not comfortable with deleting after commenting.  I'd really appreciate it if whoever closes has the ability to do or undo what I did, but I'm obviously not going to do anything about it if a non-admin closes.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 04:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * (Feeling rather foolish just constantly nodding my head in support, but) - I agree with Doug. If it would help, someone could post a note to WP:AN. - jc37 06:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Administrators%27_noticeboard.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 14:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

From the original submittor: Sorry this is causing a little grief, but remember, the only portion of the page that was considered for keeping turned out to be a copyvio from another website, so it's not like the text has vanished from the internet; it's still available at the place the user copied it from. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.