Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Schooldhospitality/School D' Hospitality (2nd nomination)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Keep as a draft that is being actively worked on. --RL0919 (talk) 00:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Schooldhospitality/School D' Hospitality
"speedy keep close" by involved editor NOT accepted...lets let some UNINVOLVED editors speak on this steaming pile of spam started by a COI editor Wuh  Wuz  Dat  07:22, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Assume good faith. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:39, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Wuhwuzdat, I think you're starting to get out of line. This has been explained in the edit summaries of the page itself, in the first MfD, and on your talk page already. Yes, the article is spammy. However, if you would take a moment to look at the page history you will see that it is actively being improved. It is a userspace draft, and therefore should be afforded more leeway. I'm not sure what your vendetta is against this page and its editors, but your comments in edit summaries and in this nom are uncivil. A speedy keep by an uninvolved editor would be welcomed. — GorillaWarfare talk 07:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * My vendetta? IT IS SPAM! Wuh  Wuz  Dat  07:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's called a work in progress for a reason. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not spam anymore. — GorillaWarfare talk 08:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Update - The page has been overhauled and now can be found in the mainspace at School D' Hospitality. — GorillaWarfare talk 08:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated update, per the warning in the MFD template stating "but please do not blank, merge, or move it, or remove this notice, while the discussion is in progress", I have un-moved the article, it is now right back where it was. Wuh  Wuz  Dat  14:31, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I have no problem with this remaining in userspace while it continues to be actively improved (although, I can see an argument to move it to the userspace of an editor who has adopted the article, not left as a subpage of an indef blocked user). However, the current version of the draft has only one source, and that one is a primary source.  I'm not seeing how this meets notability under WP:ORG at this time, so do not support it being moved into main article space (as was done and reverted earlier today) until multiple reliable sources can be found. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:56, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I was going to tag it as spam but saw there was a bit of a kerfuffle going on. It's been carefully doctored now, but the original intent (so far as I can see it) was spam. The author's name* is definitely redolent of COI and I've seen less obvious ones blocked. This establishment appears to be a commercial one 'offering' (still) degrees in hospitality management. However did the hotel and attractions industries manage before these came into fashion? (Being a holder of various qualifications but not being a holder of any sort of degree, I am not decrying these new fads as undervaluing mine. I haven't got one, so it can't be devalued. I am awaiting the news that a school or college somewhere is awarding degrees in synchronised swimming...) Is this establishment notable? It's referenced only by its own site. The other two sites linked are general homepage URLs and show in themselves no mention of this school (college or whatever it is). A company with this referencing would be very likely to get deleted. Is a private school not a company? I'm not !voting at the moment. Just trying to provoke thought and get reasons why. *(I've now seen that the original author is blocked on grounds of name.) Peridon (talk) 17:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Response - Because it is a "Private Education Institution", I've been interpreting its notability as a school and not an organization. I agree that it would benefit from some independent sources, but I think it can be considered notable as it is a private university. I recognize that it is not a policy, but College and university article guidelines states, "In general, all colleges and universities are notable and should be included on Wikipedia." — GorillaWarfare talk 17:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * At the moment, the only proof of that is a .edu.sg domain - which I accept as a minor proof of existence bearing in mind Singapore's strict regulations on almost everything. Call me a sceptic (just don't call me early...) Peridon (talk) 17:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Does anyone here know anyone who speaks Mandarin or Cantonese? I'm thinking if we had someone who could, we might be able to find a link or two that isn't in English. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep This is ridiculous since we are working on it. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Good luck - I've just flicked through the first 10 pages of search and found the Singapore PEI registration details, and thought I'd struck gold with the Sunday Times. Unfortunately, it's the Sri Lankan Sunday Times and a very short piece looking like it's come straight from the subject. Otherwise, own site, blogs, promotional stuff, and course listings. This place obviously isn't in the same class as the hairdressing school deleted recently (where we had problems even establishing that it existed...), but there must be something independent somewhere. Peridon (talk) 12:00, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per my comments above and no-one seemingly having found anything so far. Still willing to change, but not doing any more digging myself. Peridon (talk) 14:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep -Atmoz (talk) 23:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.