Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Seppi333/List of pages that I maintain

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Deleted by User:Seppi333 via db-u1.  Seppi  333  (Insert 2¢) 23:33, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

User:Seppi333/List of pages that I maintain


Not really a redirect. Another attempt to work around the deletion of Template:Maintained and speedy deletion of User:Seppi333/Maintenance. Except this one has been added as a hidden template to article talk pages, presumably so no-one will notice it this time after the removal of the other two templates. See e.g. the history to Talk:Trace amine or the other talk pages it is on. JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 22:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * ...It's both slightly annoying and amusing to me how closely you watch my contribution history for any opportunity to act like a dick toward me, John. In any event, you're clearly assuming bad faith on my part (and making a laughably asinine argument IMO) by asserting that this page is a "workaround" for template:maintained as the userpage serves no other purpose than to fix a broken link in my signature that I had used for a year and two months (i.e., the "Maintained" link as used in  Seppi  333  (Insert 2¢ &#124; Maintained)).  The page creates a null transclusion on talk pages; in other words, no text/content is transcluded to the template/article talk pages where it is placed. Moreover, the page itself indicates nothing more than that I wikt:"maintain" a page.  In a nutshell, the only place where this page displays any content is on the page itself. The only places where this userpage is (indirectly) linked to are from pages where I placed my old signature.

Seriously, if you don't like the way that I attempt to fix my sig, how about you actually do something useful and propose an alternate solution to fix it instead of trying to delete/break my attempts at a fix?  Seppi  333  (Insert 2¢) 23:06, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Given how much I've edited in the past year, there's well over a hundred talk pages where that signature link occurs at least once.


 * I would ask you refrain from using such language towards me or any other editor, and keep your accusations to yourself unless you have diffs to back them up. The fact remains that after Maintained was deleted you created a copy, at User:Seppi333/Maintenance and linked that into articles you "maintained". After that was speedily deleted you created this, and added it to the same articles you “maintained“, except hidden so it no longer notifies readers of those talk page that you are the maintainer. User templates, or pages being transcluded like templates, don’t belong on article talk pages. They certainly don't belong hidden.


 * As for the link in old copies of your signature, a signature normally only contains links to your user page, talk page and contributions. Other links are unnecessary and can be seen as disruptive, and generally should appear on the user page instead. This lets the editor easily fix them if e.g. the target is deleted or the link needs updating for other reasons. Otherwise once the page the link is to is deleted there's no way to fix it. But there is no real need to: like maintained I suspect such links are of little interest to other editors, who will use other means to find editors to contact for help with an article (check the talk page, check the page history, post to a relevant project talk page or village pump for a more general problem). There is no great loss to you or the project if old versions of your signature are not fixed. Old talk pages are often littered with broken items: broken templates, broken tables, missing images, links to pages included users' pages that have had them deleted or moved.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 23:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * W.r.t. not using the phrase "act like a dick" - I'm not going to do that.
 * Yes, I did recreate the userfied version of that template. And again, my motivation was to fix my former signature.
 * I don't like having a broken signature. I don't care if you or other editors find the link to be of little interest.  The fact that it's broken irks me, therefore I'm not going to leave it broken. That said, the most effective solution that circumvents the need for a page like this would be to remove the line of wikitext that displays Maintained from my signature on all associated pages. If you want to either manually or employ a bot to go through every page that links to User talk:Seppi333 (as listed in Special:WhatLinksHere/User_talk:Seppi333) and delete the relevant portion of wikitext in all my signatures (i.e., this particular wikitext:  ), then you have my blessing to do this.  Doing this manually would be incredibly time-consuming, as there's ~400 potential pages; hence, I haven't done this myself.  I'd be content with this solution, and if done, I'd delete every associated page in my userspace of my own volition since they'd no longer serve any purpose.  Seppi  333  (Insert 2¢) 00:41, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

There is generally no need to fix old talk pages, As I wrote they can easily be and often are broken, in ways far worse than your signature. Pages can be deleted so links become red links. Even more confusing pages can move or change, to refer to a totally different topic or to a disambiguation page for example. Templates can be deleted or change in unexpected ways so they no longer work. Included images can be deleted so text alongside them no longer makes sense. And so on. If this happens in an article it should be fixed, and usually is by a user or bot. But old talk pages, and old entries on talk pages, are very rarely fixed.

As an example my oldest talk page archive: User_talk:JohnBlackburne/Archive_1. It mostly looks OK but there are some red links due to changes to T:TDYK. But no-one has gone through and fixed those old uses, even though there are probably many thousands like that. There is no point; better to leave the archive as a record of the edits at the time.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 00:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * If broken talk page links are indeed as prevalent as you say, I'll db-u1 my User:Seppi333/List of pages that I maintain userpage tomorrow as a show of good faith. I need to clear the transclusions first, though I'm a bit busy tonight so it'll have to wait until morning.  Seppi  333  (Insert 2¢) 02:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.