Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sjorford/List of people who died before the age of 30


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was No consensus to delete, some editors expressed they found list useful from an editorial standpoint. If Sjorfold decides he does want the page deleted at some point, he may tag it as G7/delete it. Lazulilasher (talk) 15:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Sjorford/List of people who died before the age of 30
The user subpage has not been edited since 24 January 2008. The page has become an indefinitely archive of a preferred version of disputed content, previously deleted content, or permanent content that is meant to be part of the encyclopedia. -- Suntag  ☼  15:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Jor  dan  Contribs  17:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Lists don't have the same concerns as articles when they are userfied. They can be an arbitrary list for the editor to work on, for example. -- Ned Scott 01:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Lists on user pages still have to be worked on to prevent them from becoming archived or permanent content. -- Suntag  ☼  09:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've said below I intend to work on this. Am I allowed to take a copy? Carcharoth (talk) 21:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Lists don't have to be worked on. In the past I've seen lists moved to userpages or WikiProject subpages for editors to have a list of stuff to work on because the list was useful from an editorial standpoint. -- Ned Scott 06:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - what is the difference between this list and User:Sebwite/30? I'm currently involved in the DRV over the 'death by age' categories that Sebwite suggested/started (I think he did that), see here, and I have created User:Carcharoth/People who died aged XX and Biographical metadata. I'm also confused as to why List of people who died in their thirties has not been nominated for deletion yet. I personally would like to see the userspace versions kept, as they have some entries not accessible via the page I set up (the one I mentioned above). One list I want to set up will cover our articles on children who die while they are still children, or rather specific subsets of that. In particular, royals who die in childhood. Carcharoth (talk) 21:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As to why List of people who died in their thirties has not been nominated for deletion, you may want to ask Hersfold (the nominator from this AFD and who was in favor of the 'death by age' categories incidentally). --Pixelface (talk) 04:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Sebwite/30 was last edited 23 September 2008 and Sjorford's was last edited 24 January 2008. The passage of time without effort to improve such content can turn a user subpage from a sandbox that may be utilized by an editor into archive/permanent content to be deleted at MfD in violation of WP:User and WP:SUBPAGE. There is no evidence of this user subpage list being used by Sjorford for anything other than for the reasons I listed in the nomination. -- Suntag  ☼  00:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The length of time is becoming long, but I don’t think you should be asserting that Sjorford is using the page as an indefinitely archived version of a preferred version. Assuming good faith, I would say the he intended to do something productive with it.  I think it is a worthy idea, and something should be made of it, in the interests of improving accessibility.  Perhaps an automated list/category.  I don’t know.  I don’t see any harm in keeping it in userspace.  I’d prefer to see it merely blanked, so it is easily accessed by anyone.  If deleted, I think we’ll all agree that it could be re-userfied on request.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is material useful for improving the encyclopedia.  There are no time limits.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It does no harm. We should not harass infrequent contributors during their breaks.  Did the nominator email the user?  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If it helps any, I don't particularly care either way &mdash; I did create it intending to completely rewrite with it (I did one bulk reformatting and then lost interest). I'm unlikely to do anything with it in the near future, but I haven't bothered to delete it either as I though somebody else might find it useful. I had no idea the mainspace page had been deleted (something I'm not sure I agree with, but I don't care enough to question). So to sum up: whatever. — sjorford++ 15:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.