Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sportfan5000

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was keep, noting that user has moved it to a subpage. JohnCD (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Sportfan5000


Userspace page consisting entirely of a long, completely unreferenced list of "transgender and transsexual people". Identifies some of them as (for example) "serial killer" or "pornographic actress". Quite aside from those extremities, the list itself is not in accordance with WP:BLP. People wanting such information should view Category:Transgender and transsexual people directly. Having it on a userpage where it may or may not get updated is not acceptable. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as BLP violation. StAnselm (talk) 22:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * What is the BLP violation exactly? Sportfan5000 (talk) 01:40, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It says that Wolfgang Schmidt is a serial killer. StAnselm (talk) 03:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * As has already been mentioned, that is an article title, not a comment. So, any actual BLP violations? Sportfan5000 (talk) 03:34, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not an article title, because there is no article. And there is no citation either for Schmidt being a serial killer, or for him (her?) being transgender (transsexual?) StAnselm (talk) 19:27, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * As has been shown already, that article title can now be seen at User:Obiwankenobi/Wolfgang Schmidt (serial killer), your issue would be with that article, not the article title here. So, any actual BLP violation? Sportfan5000 (talk) 00:54, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No, because it is not an article. The page you mention should also be deleted per WP:LIMBO: "If negative material on a living person is to be worked on to make it comply with the BLP policy, this should generally be done off wiki." StAnselm (talk) 01:26, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The only reason it was ever listed here was because it was an article at the time, to suggest otherwise is offensive. So your point is that in one instance an article that arguably should not exist was poorly titled. Not that the listing is otherwise in any way a BLP problem. Does that correctly summarize your view? Sportfan5000 (talk) 02:15, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ridiculous, and Keep, this is a list of articles from transgender categories, the only information about them is pulled directly from articles on Wikipedia already. And "serial killer" and "pornographic actress" are not my identifiers but from the article titles, one of which is now at User:Obiwankenobi/Wolfgang Schmidt (serial killer). Sportfan5000 (talk) 01:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sportsfan, could you tell us why you've created this page? It'd help us to know its intended purpose. Achowat (talk) 03:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * First off this is just a list of articles on Wikipedia, I shouldn't have to explain that but I would have if I had been asked. I made the list for my own use, of all the articles on trans women, or gender variant women, in part to see if we were misgendering them like we were, at the time, by calling Chelsea Manning, by her former name, when she had explicitly explained she was female. Sportfan5000 (talk) 06:08, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * So, what purpose does this page serve, that Category:Transgender and transsexual people does not? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:15, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a combination of 4-6 categories, some overlap, others do not. Some are correctly categorized, others are not. Some need a lot of attention, others are fine. One, Alexis Reich, was a BLP nightmare which I first cleaned up, then seeing it as hopeless, got deleted. Sportfan5000 (talk) 07:07, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - To quote WP:UP "User pages...are useful for organizing and aiding the work users do on Wikipedia". If Sportfan says he's using the list to keep track of articles s/he is interested in, I'm going to take hir at hir word, absent any evidence to the contrary. I also don't see any compelling evidence provided that suggests a BLP violation. Achowat (talk) 09:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not questioning the intention of Sportfan putting this material in a userpage, I'm questioning the possible effects. If the presence of any of the hundreds of living people listed on the userpage in any of the several categories was a temporary error due to (for example) vandalism, and that error is subsequently fixed in the category but not on this userpage, then we are mislabelling someone as a trans man or trans woman (or indeed as a deceased trans man or trans woman) when they are not. Is that acceptable, from a WP:BLP perspective? Surely not. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:45, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * These are the titles of articles, they are followed up in some cases by a short descriptor. If they are noted in the article as a trans woman then it would still not be an issue to state that's what their status is. So, we still have no BLP violation just the fear that at some point we could somehow have a BLP issue. This is true for every single page everywhere. Sportfan5000 (talk) 07:41, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not "just the fear" that it might happen; by copying hundreds of names into this userspace list, you've made it virtually inevitable that it will happen. "They are noted in the article" is not an acceptable excuse when some of the articles in question are completely unreferenced! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:57, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Demiurge, have you any evidence that a single BLP violation happened? Otherwise you are just making a fuss about anything. Cavarrone 14:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Sport you should just make a new spinoff userpage such as User:Sportfan5000/BLP List or the sort. If you intend to improve the articles long term this can be helpful. There is always the Sandbox as well. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:55, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I mistyped it but moved it to User:Sportfan5000/BLPlist
 * It looks better now, User:Sportfan5000 is still your userpage though so you should use that page to talk about yourself if you would like, the page right now is currently a redirect to the subpage. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:38, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep No evidence of BLP violation. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Zero evidence of BLP violation. Cavarrone 05:40, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator; if the consensus is to delete, User talk:Sportfan5000/BLPlist must not be deleted along with the userpage, as it is a user talk page archive of User talk:Sportfan5000. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.