Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:The Insult File

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  delete. — ξ xplicit  01:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

User:The Insult File


Just seems a bit... excessive for a user page Mdann52 (talk) 16:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. It will be helpful as I can copy it for findings of fact in ArbCom decisions. (Non-serious !vote.) Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:06, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) Telemarketers refuse to be seen in public with user The Insult File.
 * Passed 8 to 1, 17:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The Insult File (talk) 17:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment IANAL, but according to the source it is free to use for any purpose. And giving credit is optional. I did, in the first editsummary. Quote: "For full effect, I *strongly* advise using the full insult file. Yes, I know that it goes on and on. That's what makes it funny. Trust me on this one. One insult is insulting. A *bunch* of insults are funny!". The Insult File (talk) 17:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete because I hate insult comedy because there's too much potential for it to be taken the wrong way. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment / recusal from copyright holder: I am the author of The Insult File and thus my opinions on this should be treated as those of a COI editor.
 * My copyright terms are less restrictive and entirely compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License (I am requiring sa without requiring or forbidding by -- see Creative Commons license.)
 * I do find the changes from the original to be interesting (and, of course allowed). Rather pinguid, wouldn't you say?


 * BTW, if you want to see how notable TIF is, these are good search terms: "EDLINoid" (the only word in the TIF I made up), "arrasive" (From the Latin arasse / arare), and "vacation in the Islets of Langerhans". --Guy Macon (talk) 21:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Like I said, I am involved and my opinion should not be counted, but if anyone is interested, I say delete. As much as I like my own work, this really is not the place for it. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Per WP:UP. As for the posting, it apparently is based on a mish-mash of insults that Guy Macon collected over the years. wikinewforum.com/showthread.php?p=87983 The TIF website notes, "I tried to make a list of who the original author of each bit was, but I keep running into cases where more than one person claimed to be the original author." How does that give Guy Macon copyright in the text bits? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 07:30, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The applicable law is 17 USC § 103 - Subject matter of copyright: Compilations and derivative works. Or just Google Compilations Copyright.


 * Copyright is easy in this case -- I am on firm legal grounds. Attribution is another matter. The normal situation is that memorable insults get inserted into USENET posts with no attribution, and in many cases the post itself was made under a pseudonym. As I wrote at http://www.guymacon.com/flame.html:


 * "I tried to make a list of who the original author of each bit was, but I keep running into cases where more than one person claimed to be the original author. In some cases I have found that the supposed original author stole it himself. The best way to solve this is to do a web and newsgroup search on any phrase that you are particularly interested in, and look for the earliest published occurrence."


 * If I marked each sentence fragment with a reference to the place I found it, in most cases I would be listing someone as the author when they just used an insult they heard somewhere. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW, This isn't a copywrite issue - It's a Wikipedia policy issue. Mdann52 (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete The copyright issue is not the problem here, I have no reason to believe there's been a violation. What is a problem is WP:NOTWEBHOST - User pages should not be used as repositories for large amounts of material that's irrelevant to collaborating on Wikipedia. I fail to see how Guy Macon's insult text promotes any collaboration on the encyclopedia, but I do see how it would discourage collaboration. Net negative, therefore, delete.  Worm TT( talk ) 10:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it is time for a snow close. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:04, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Copyright issues addressed above. Keep, interesting to the study of insult rhetoric, and relevant to some behavioural issues within the project.  How to insult without significant depth to the insult.  But move to a subpage, or do not use it as a user-info page without more commentary.    --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * If you think it might be useful, I can put it on a subpage of my user page with the usual humor template. I will say that it does work at it's intended purpose, which is inserting into an online flame war with "do I win?" and watching the combatants go from fighting to laughing. I am just not sure whether that will translate to Wikipedia. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:52, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a clever demonstration that insults can be quite shocking, and extensive, without containing any relevant intellect. It highlights the emptiness of a contribution of insult. Does it become more impressive if some recipient-derived information is woven into the depthless insults? No. The depthless content contributes nothing of substance. You may as well skip the insults and just say what needs to be said. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:21, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - as extensive information unrelated to Wikipedia. Achowat (talk) 15:20, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice to Guy Macon hosting this on a subpage of his own userspace. Gigs (talk) 13:31, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
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