Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Anarchist 1

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No consensus for a mass deletion; no prejudice against speedy renomination of smaller groups or individual ones. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:02, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Anarchist 1 and related pages


Earlier today, tagged a number of userboxes for speedy deletion. I reviewed the pages and declined to delete them, but left a note at User talk:Legacypac rather than removing the tags. Subsequently, came along and deleted them. There have been objections by at User talk:RHaworth, and some of the deletions were subsequently self-reverted.

These pages were the discussion of a [deletion review] some 13 years ago, at the height of the userbox fiasco. Deletion was overturned on technical grounds.

These pages are part of a long-simmering dispute, see Userbox migration and Userboxes for background if you're not familiar.

The full list of extant userboxes in this individual's userspace is:


 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Anarchist 1
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Communist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Death Penalty
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Fascist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Leftist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/NPD DEU
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Philosophy
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Political Science
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Politically Incorrect
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Rightist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Stalinist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Totalitarian
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Trotskyist

The full list of deleted userboxes created by this user is:


 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Anarcho Syn
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Bad Faith
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Capitalist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Communist star
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Leninist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Libertarian
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Lib Soc
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Monarchist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Nationalist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Nat Soc (Nazis - deleted by discussion)
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/No Darwinism
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/No Gun Ctl
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/No Marxism
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Pink
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Political-Philosophical
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Political-Philosophical/Death Penalty
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Political-Philosophical/Fascist
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Political-Philosophical/Political Science
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Political-Philosophical/Socialist sickle
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Political-Philosophical/Socialist star
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Roma Indep
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/SAC
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Soc Darwin
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Socialist hammer and sickle
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Socialist sickle
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Socialist star
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Taste
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Trotskyist 2
 * User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/UBX War

Note that a few of these were deleted years ago, but most were deleted today.

Given the clear parallels in the nature of the userboxes, I believe that they should be treated similarly. While I do not have strong feelings about them, it is my recommendation to delete them. I believe that a full and transparent discussion is more important than the outcome, as this is a historically divisive area.  Uninvited Company 20:47, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * User:RHaworth is very liberal with speedy deletion of unimportant pages. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. I strongly oppose deleting all of these userboxes in one bundled nomination. Several of the userboxes should likely be deleted, but I strongly oppose deleting all of the userboxes listed above [in one bundled nomination] and suggest individual nominations for specific objections. What is wrong with a user having a userbox that states ""This user is interested in philosophy. or "This user is interested in political science."? Many of the concerns raised in the original deletion discussion of User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Fascist do not apply to all of the userboxes listed here. Note that some of the userboxes have transclusions on hundreds of userpages, showing they are not as "useless" as some may believe. I support a speedy restoration of the userboxes deleted today by User:RHaworth, so that they may undergo a deletion discussion. MarkZusab (talk) 22:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Specifically, I believe that User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Philosophy and User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Political Science should be kept. These do not promote a specific political view, do not promote a specific political party, do not provide a call for action, do not incite violence, do not use Wikipedia as a platform, do not have anything to do with Nazis, and do not cause controversy. They only state that a user is interested in the topics of philosophy or political science. I have no specific opinions on the rest of the userboxes at this time. MarkZusab (talk) 02:08, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete these are U5 material because this user made 129 total edits, all to userspace to create all these. They were never a contributor and not here to build wikipedia only to stir controversy. I noted the NAzi one that was redeleted by discussion. Legacypac (talk) 23:56, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Legacypac, I fail to see how WP:U5 applies here. These userboxes do not fall under the category of " NOTWEBHOST". These are all userboxes, not use of Wikipedia as a web host. This does not fall under the category of WP:U5. Additionally, userboxes are specifically permitted, and intended, to be on userpages, further disqualifying this from U5 (see WP:User pages). MarkZusab (talk) 01:57, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not know the identity of User:The Ministry of Truth but given their pattern of contribution they were surely involved here under some other name. I believe the userboxes they created were either copied from template space or were based on those in some other wiki.  I do not believe they fit the intent of U5.  U5 is intended to cover material wholly unrelated to Wikipedia.   Uninvited Company 02:13, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Needs wider advertising. This is a development on the ancient userbox war truce. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:28, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Possibly, every user with one of these transcluded to their userpage needs notification. Unless the nomination is to subst and delete. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: A number of the pages have been undeleted, and some have been re-deleted, since I compiled the list.  Uninvited Company 01:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep/Restore all except "Stalinist" and "Nat Soc" for obvious reasons. Why must we delete 40-odd good-faith userboxes because of two strongly objectionable ones? PrussianOwl (talk) 07:21, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep and Restore. Per PrussianOwl above. I'd also like to specificilly request the restoration of User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Lib Soc and User:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Anarcho Syn. The only ones that should not be allowed are the ones related to Tankies and Nazis. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 14:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep as a group. No prejudice against individual or much smaller group nominations. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 19:26, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.