Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Thesardauna/sandbox

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: No consensus Delete arguments based on the state of the article prior to the pruning have been given less weight. * Pppery * it has begun... 01:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

User:Thesardauna/sandbox

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CV posting of a 'distinguished' academic. WP:G11 declined although I do think that this is bad enough to actually meet it and I suspect, if the article were in mainspace, the G11 would have been performed. It is littered from top to bottom with sentences like His influence extends far beyond the classroom, as he continues to inspire students and colleagues alike with his passion for learning and his unwavering commitment to excellence. and Through his teaching, research, and mentorship, Professor Adamu continues to inspire the next generation of mathematicians, leaving an indelible mark on the academic landscape. and Professor Adamu Magaji Yunbunga, mni, stands as a beacon of intellectual curiosity and a testament to the transformative power of education which are not neutral and have no place in the project.

This is not just a couple of sentences that are an issue, it is the whole article. We have WP:NOTCV, which is policy. The entire article is just a posting of a CV so would require a fundamental rewrite to be encyclopaedic. In my view, it shouldn't matter whether it is in user, draft or main space. G11 should be applied. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Nigeria, Mathematics,  and Academics and educators.  A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  18:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete - I respectfully disagree with User:A. B. on the G11 tag, because I think that removing two-thirds of the content of a page is a fundamental rewrite. The subject does appear to satisfy academic notability, but this draft contains more puffery than encyclopedic content, and so this is exactly what is referred to in the essay about blowing up an article to start over, which is what should be done to this draft.  The title should not be salted.  A non-promotional draft should be welcomed and reviewed and accepted as an article.  We (the Wikipedia community) seldom see a biography of a probably notable person that is so completely focused on praising the subject that it should be deleted in spite of notability of the subject, but we are seeing it here, and we should only see it until this MFD is closed.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:24, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Grab-bag of comments:
 * I deleted the G11 tag because it looked like the article mostly just needed pruning. I've done a few minutes of pruning; there's more to do.
 * I'm happy with this coming to AfD for further discussion; I just didn't feel comfortable with a speedy deletion.
 * We're more tolerant of user space and draft space than article space. It looks like Thesardauna was making a good faith effort to create an article about a fellow Nigerian mathematician
 * I see a lot of Nigerian paid-editing stuff. This doesn't look like it, however it does incorporate typically Nigerian flowery language.
 * Yunbunga's Google Scholar citations seem low (201) but citation rates vary by specialty; I defer to mathematicians. I also don't know the quality of the journals.
 * Yunbunga is an academic provost.
 * The proposed article is titled "Adamu Magaji Yunbunga". Yunbunga publishes his journal articles under the name "M. Y. Adamu". The press places Adamu first and Yunbunga last.
 * Yunbunga uses the post-nominal letters "mni" as a member of the National Institute for Policy and Strategic Studies.
 * Hopefully we can get some Nigerians and mathematicians to comment. -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  19:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I have further cut this article to a short ugly thing. The Yunbunga / Adamu issue remains unresolved. -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  00:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yunbunga served as provost at Adamu Tafawa Balewa College of Education. The college's web site says, "The provost is the overall academic and executive head of the college who is bestowed with the responsibility for its day to day administration." A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  01:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete Unequivocal G11. Uhai (talk) 00:06, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Stubify, which has been done by User:A.B. - The removal of two-thirds of the content passes the Heymann test. I am not saying that the current stub should be accepted, or that the current stub should not be accepted.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. As in many countries (but not the US), education in Nigeria suggests that "college" in Nigeria means a secondary school, not a university-level school. As such, any administrative position as head of a college would not be eligible for WP:PROF notability. We would have to go through WP:GNG instead. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:21, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Adamu Tafawa Balewa College of Education is a state-owned post-secondary school that awards a Nigerian Certificate in Education at the end of the 3-year period of study. More than an associate's degree (2 years) and less than a bachelor's (4 years). It serves the same mission as an old-time "normal school"; here's the list of programs. Yunbunga ran Adamu Tafawa Balewa College of Education college for several years.
 * I don't think Yunbunga meets WP:GNG otherwise. I don't know about his scholarly output. -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  03:11, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. That still sounds more like a US community college (which would also not pass #C6) than like the sort of "major academic institution" that #C6 demands. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @David Eppstein, that's a good comparison. -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  15:05, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep as a draft stub in user space. It's been substantially pruned. We allow more latitude in non-promotional user space material than our main space. With better referencing, this page may qualify to become a real article. -- A. B. (talk • contribs •  global count)  15:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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