Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:UBX/Comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

User:UBX/Comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany

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I think this userbox crosses the line into controversial and unacceptable. And it is morally offensive. Liz Read! Talk! 05:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree - Delete. Bduke (talk) 05:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Provocative Userboxes can be defended on the basis that they are self declarations of the user’s extreme POV. This one is complicated. We understand the emotion, we can see the simple grab for provocative hyperbole, but I think this one needs fixing, it can’t stay like that. SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment From the perspective of those who use this userbox, this wouldn't be a provocative hyperbole, they believe the comparison of the two is legitimate. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: I understand that my userbox may be controversial and evoke strong reactions. However, as a Wikipedian, I believe in fostering diverse perspectives and allowing users to express their beliefs within the bounds of neutrality. This userbox reflects my personal viewpoint. I respectfully request that it be allowed to remain as an expression of my beliefs. Thank you for your understanding! Lionel Messi Lover (talk)
 * "I understand that my userbox may be controversial and evoke strong reactions." Then that would mean it probably violates WP:POLEMIC, right? ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 17:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment Such comparisons are rather common on the Chinese internet. NasssaNser 07:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep noting the widespread accusations of Israel carrying out genocide, which South Africa bringing a case to ICJ and American students protesting for US to cease its support for Israel. As Nazi is also notable for carrying out genocide, drawing comparisons based on the current situation don't seem unreasonable to me. NasssaNser 11:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep, comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany are very common, with several notable people having compared the two. This is someone's relatively common point of view, and it's best to declare it. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment, If this userbox is morally objectionable from some users perspective, that isn't grounds for deletion. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:UPNOT: "'Wikipedia is not censored' relates to article pages and images; in other namespaces there are restrictions aimed at ensuring relevance, value, and non-disruption to the community." ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 17:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * NOTCENSORED applies to article space, not userboxes. Wikipedia has deleted many userboxes promoting white supremacy, the Confederacy, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, userboxes against same-sex marriage, racism, all sorts of discriminatory points of view. This looks like a userbox that promotes anti-semitism and displays complete ignorance of the Holocaust. Liz Read! Talk! •
 * Maybe the wording can be tweaked to remove the "no different than" bit. I don't think this template was created in bad faith as academics have weighed in on the matter. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Liz, While I condemn any form of anti-Semitism or Holocaust denial, I believe it's essential to address and criticize instances of racial discrimination and incitement of genocide against Palestinians wherever they occur, including in State of Israel. Lionel Messi Lover (talk)


 * Keep. According to the linked article, there is actually a debate on whether comparisons are antisemitic or not. Playing devil's advocate, what if the person who uses this user-box is trying to call attention to red flags? It can also go with the saying "Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" which isn't in the scope of hate. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think there’s a sizeable gulf between “no difference” and “comparison [can be made]”. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  01:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Please.  To be clear, I would be in favor of deleting a much wider spectrum of "here's my stand on controversial topic X" userboxes, but this kind of accusation is really far off the line.  More pragmatically, imagine this user box comes to the attention of some mainstream newspaper.  Do you really want to be explaining why Wikipedia has a userbox that says that Jews are the real Nazis?  SnowFire (talk) 20:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If this got picked up by a mainstream newspaper then it would just add to the Comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany debate. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Not much more to add here, this really is unacceptable. —  Sundostund  mppria  (talk / contribs) 22:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The creator has not addressed the honest concerns brought about their userbox. I believe it's essential to address and criticize instances of racial discrimination and incitement of genocide against Palestinians and using WP:NOTCENSORED as an excuse is not really going to go in their favor. Though I really do wish that WP:POLEMIC was a speedy deletion criterion, then we could use it to our advantage with this userbox. It really is shameful that such a controversial userbox even exists. And to the userbox creator: Don't try using excuses like you're supporting Palestinian genocide, that really isn't what we're doing here, but we're trying to make sure that controversial, provocative userbox like yours don't exist. If you reply here, please ping me.  thetechie@enwiki  :  ~/talk/  $  00:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Why did you relist the discussion after voting on it? WP:RELIST says that Editor qualifications to relist a discussion are the same as required to close a discussion and WP:NACD clearly states that you can't close a discussion if you've offered an opinion on it. The relist should be cancelled or at the very least the relisting comment struck so people don't get the impression it was written by an WP:UNINVOLVED editor. Nickps (talk) 11:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I reverted the pointless, and improper, relist. Relists without a good meaningful relist comment, by someone qualified to close, should not be done. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are the first one to offer an argument for deletion other than this userbox is unacceptable and morally wrong. Nobody here has put up a counter argument in regard to how academics have weighed on the matter of it being antisemitic or not. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Unacceptable userbox, Fails POLEMIC. – Davey 2010 Talk 13:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete intentionally inflammatory and propagandistic antisemitic userbox based on holocaust trivialization—a type thereof known as holocaust inversion (the heading is "debate" but notice the prevalence of one side in the "debate", which is due to what the available sources generally say on the matter).—Alalch E. 11:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete: The assertion of “no difference” is too much for a project that aims for scholarship and collegiality. While the userbox text could be edited, the onus is on the proponents, and they can just as easily create a different userbox with better wording, and it would be better for individuals to expresses themselves individually. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:54, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.