Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:UBX/User Republika Srpska




 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. @harej 04:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

User:UBX/User Republika Srpska

 * Violates Attack page as it "exists primarily to disparage its subject". Law Lord (talk) 11:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Although I don't like this sort of box it is simply a statement of the individual editor's political views in wishing to abolish a political division within a country. That seems to me to be different from an attack. The user doesn't wish for the people to be exterminated. The user merely wishes the internal political division which was created through mistrust and animosity to be removed (sounds inclusive and friendly to me). Many userboxes wish for political divisions to be created, is this an attack on those who don't wish people to be divided? What about those who wish for the Tamils not to have a separate area, Tibet to remain in China etc. etc. where do we draw the boundaries? Polargeo (talk) 14:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * With all possible respect, I think you have misunderstood the point of the box. This is not a box about a unified country but about dislike towards one specific part of the country. There is certainly a difference between "This user supports the unification of United States of America" and "This user support the abolition of Maine". In this case, the box is of the latter sort. There is also a difference between "Tibet should remain in China" and "Tibet must be abolished". Besides, Tibet cannot be compared reasonably with Republika Srpska, since to my knowledge, there was no brutal war in Tibet in the 1990's nor has the specific status of Tibet been decided on in an international treaty. --Law Lord (talk) 19:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have been to Republica Srpska and am aware of the politics. I have seen excavations of the mass graves created from the ethnic cleansing in the area. There are many people internationally who are unhappy about the existance/creation of internal divisions within Bosnia and Herzegovina based along ethnic lines. So I do believe I have not misunderstood the point of this userbox. Polargeo (talk) 10:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Your personal experiences are irrelevant, it is your reasoning and your writings here that matter, and you do not approach any of my arguments. If the unification of Bosnia and Herzegovina is the goal, then why not change the box to "I support a unified Bosnia and Herzegovina"? --Law Lord (talk) 11:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Bosnia and Herzegovina is unified (in terms of it being a single country internationally). Republika Srpska is an internal division along ethinc lines and the only one of its kind in BiH at present. I simply stated my own experiences to highlight that I do know a bit about the region, in response to your suggestion that I had somehow misunderstood the argument. Asking for abolition of Republika Srpska is at a basic level expressing that BiH should not be internally divided because as an ethnicity based unit the existance of Republika Srpska prevents the country's internal unification. Republika Srpska was pretty much drawn along the front lines of the war at the time so it was very much to do with how much land an army could grab and the creation of the region was strongly interlinked with the ethnic cleansing of certain areas within it by genocide and displacement of people. I therefore see that asking for the abolition of the political unit is a valid expression of an editor's political viewpoint and is certainly not an 'attack' on the people of that region or other wikipedia editors for that matter (which I believe are your arguments). Polargeo (talk) 13:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Violates User_page #9, #10. Law Lord (talk) 11:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I just disagree here. This is not an attack on other editors! That argument is extremely weak. Polargeo (talk) 14:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If this userbox violates those rules then you'll will have to remove all Kosovo, Tibet, etc userboxes. PRODUCER (talk) 17:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you kindly provide links to the boxes you are referring to? --Law Lord (talk) 19:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Although I don't particularly like this sort of box either, as Polargeo says, it shows the individual's political views, and makes no further comment. Before 1989, if Wikipedia had existed, I am sure there would have been "unifying Germany" and "keeping Germany un-unified" type boxes. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 19:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment This was nominated for deletion in March 2009 (see discussion) --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 19:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * With far to little discussion, I think. I actually nominated this for speedy deletion per G10 but am taking the long road. --Law Lord (talk) 19:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. We allow our editors to have political opinions, and we allow editors to make neutral statements about what their opinions are. This isn't out of line, although it is potentially close to it. Unless there's evidence of it being used for bad things, it shouldn't be deleted. — Gavia immer (talk) 03:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. This userbox violates the WP:USERBOX guideline of "Express what you do like, rather than what you don't like." I recommend that the users who support this userbox replace it with a userbox saying what they want Republika Srpska to be replaced with if it is abolished. For example: "This user supports a unified Bosnia and Herzegovina." If that is unsuitable, I'm sure they can find something else which would express their beliefs in a more positive way. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:52, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a murky one. The guidline is first of all a guideline not a rule. It states don't say you dislike or hate something. Well the userbox is not stating the user dislikes or hates. Rather the user has the political view that the political unit should be 'abolished'. We could have userboxes saying we want all sorts of things abolished. If there can be a good political reason for the abolishion of something then surely it is censorship to stop someone stating this. Republica Srpska is not an internationally recognised country. Should we judge where the boundary falls on what users can wish abolished? That would be each individual editor's POV. Polargeo (talk) 08:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per my comments. Polargeo (talk) 08:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep; users are entitled to their opinions. Stifle (talk) 17:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


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