Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:UBX/pro-NK (2nd nomination)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 16:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

User:UBX/pro-NK

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While I previously nominated this on a moral/policy basis, I’ve noticed that literally nobody currently uses this and previously it was only used by a now-banned user (User:Beaneater00). I don’t know if anyone WOULD use this box, since the external internet is blocked in North Korea and the only outside supporters would probably be WP:NOTHERE types and trolls. Dronebogus (talk) 15:02, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Hypothetically, there could be some anti-US person that supports north korea for opposing the USA, but the fact very few, if any, people use this leads me to believe it should be deleted. (JayPlaysStuff &#124; talk to me &#124; What I've been up to) 20:48, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It’s a bad idea to delete selective political opinions. Either delete all or none, or find consensus for objective criteria. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This came up in the last NK-related userbox discussion, but North Korea actively uses racism in its propaganda, stating that Koreans are the "purest race". It's a bit hard to support that without running afoul of WP:NONAZIS ☢️Plutonical☢️  ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿᶦᶜᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿˢ  12:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * NK is pretty extreme, but the vetting of userbox support for nations on the basis of racism is their rhetoric clashes with WP:NOTADVOCACY. From an NPOV ideal, ADVOCACY against racism is akin to ADVOCACY for racism. SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you’re trying to say. Racism on Wikipedia user pages (or anywhere on any WMF site) is not allowed, unless it’s in a non-endorsing educational context obviously. See the WP:UCOC Dronebogus (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I am saying that this is a wedge Voice of Wikipedia / Wikipedia Advocacy issue.
 * The userbox does not directly support racism. You have drawn a connection from the userbox to racism and argue that support for the userbox is support for NK and is support for racism.  You are therefore setting up a morality test for internationally recognised governments.  Even if this is just NK and no one cares about NK, where is the limit of your test?
 * Is it impossible for any reasonable editor to support the NK government? SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it is impossible for any reasonable editor to support the NK government. And supporting a government means supporting the concepts it is built on, and in NK's case, that means supporting misguided concepts of racial superiority and "racial contamination" which could create collaboration issues. ☢️Plutonical☢️  ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿᶦᶜᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿˢ  11:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Something like this certainly shouldn't exist on Wikipedia. —Sundostund (talk) 13:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as a valid opinion that somebody could actually have, although it is a pretty disgusting opinion . casualdejekyll  20:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * How is it valid and disgusting at the same time? Dronebogus (talk) 21:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "Disgusting" is always a matter of opinion. I personally think the actions of the NK government are deplorable, but some people don't. casualdejekyll  18:19, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * “But some people don’t” is a weak argument. “Some people” think Nazism is right. Dronebogus (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Having given this a lot of thought, I fall on the side that it is worse to censor politically incorrect positions, than it is for some users to disclose their politically incorrect positions.  The userbox does not directly advocate something unacceptable, the connection to the unacceptable is indirect, and while I think we all agree that there are bad things about the NK government, who is to say that the user has that aspect in mind, and not something else.  This immediately turns into an undesirable psychoanalysis of other users, and the other users have not been asked politely. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:31, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per SmokeyJoe. Having this userbox does not necessarily automatically give rise to behaviors or beliefs that would fall under the purview of WP:NONAZIS.--WaltCip- (talk)  12:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. SmokeyJoe makes a very key point - it is worse to censor politically incorrect positions, than it is for some users to disclose their politically incorrect positions. While I do see the nom's point of it being unlikely that anyone actually using this ubx, it still amounts to reading into something not directly in violation of any specific guideline and therefore, I'm opposed.   Butler Blog   (talk) 19:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Does not have the polemical tone of the other NK userbox at MfD. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 20:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Does anyone have any objections to me closing this as kept?--WaltCip- (talk)  16:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No. Dronebogus (talk) 17:50, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.