Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Vivek Kumar Pandey

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  delete promotional revisions and restore non-promotional revisions to user page. Anonymous !voters are reminded this is note a vote and discussion should be based in policy.--v/r - TP 03:52, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Vivek Kumar Pandey
Relisted. Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)



The reasons for deletion of a similar page back in 2008 - see: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dr. vivek Kumar Pandey - still aplly. The (apparently self-)promotion continued, withy a recent deleted article - Articles for deletion/Vivek Kumar Pandey, quite the same process as in 2008... see Articles_for_deletion/Dr._Vivek_Kumar_Pandey. Quite close to a speedy, for page recreation. Nabla (talk) 16:53, 21 August 2011 (UTC) 
 * Move to Wikiproject: Could get better at WikiProject Abandoned Drafts. Move to WikiProject Abandoned Drafts/Vivek Kumar Pandey.   Ebe 123  talkContribs 18:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Abandoned Drafts is a new one to me. I therefore took a look, whereupon I read: Several Wikipedians have formed this collaboration resource and group dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of article drafts kept in retired user's subpages and the organization of information and articles on this topic. I have no reason to think that the autobiographer has retired, or that he hasn't already put the greatest effort into demonstrating his notability. He is, after all, Honored by having his name included in list of "TOP 100 SCIENTISTS 2010" of International Biographical Centre (IBC), Sponsored & Administered by International Biographical Centre, Cambridge, England according IBC letter Ref. TOPSC/inv (an imprint of Melrose Press Ltd. Registered in England (No) 965274). (If you are unfamiliar with the "International Biographical Centre", click its link.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:43, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a new WikiProject, but the project also takes stale drafts and regular userspace drafts sometimes. !  Ebe 123   (+) $talk Contribs$ 13:02, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable biography.  This person is engaging in persistent promotion.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Self-promotional WP:FAKEARTICLE. I think it's best to start from scratch, without the taint of self-promotion and COI. MER-C 02:48, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: What, "start from scratch"? Sure, go ahead if you're sure that reliable sources make it clear that he merits an article. If you do this, I predict that you'll receive a great amount of unsolicited assistance from various SPAs or Indian IP numbers. -- Hoary (talk) 02:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't volunteering. Anyway, this ("Social page on WIKIPEDIA binary page ") and the ~300 comments on the deleted article speak for themselves. MER-C 12:58, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. See this and this. Enough. -- Hoary (talk) 02:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Summary, the story so far:
 * Articles for deletion/Dr. Vivek Kumar Pandey (January 2008)
 * Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dr. vivek Kumar Pandey (July–August 2008)
 * Articles for deletion/Vivek Kumar Pandey (August 2011)
 * DRV for Vivek Kumar Pandey (August 2011)
 * and now this MfD too, of course. -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article is notable. Hoary is anti Vivek Kumar Pandey and group therefore his comment should ignore and keep it in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.117.195 (talk) 06:38, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello 59.94.117.195. First, a comment. You talk of an "article". But this isn't an article, it's a user page. Secondly, a question. I notice that that was your first edit from this IP, and that two minutes later you made this edit to User:Vivek Kumar Pandey. Now, either (A) you are Vivek Kumar Pandey or (B) you are not. If (A) you are V K Pandey, then why didn't you log in? If (B) you are not V K Pandey, then why did you edit somebody else's user page? -- Hoary (talk) 07:43, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. A 3-4 year old page need delete in this way. Admin can self modify the page and also can suggest Dr. Pandey not to edit more in future. I find here that Hoary have some pre-enemity with Dr. Pandey therefore he is seeing every where to Pandey and suggested for deletion his user page. Thus Hoary is creating problem in fair discussion.118.94.43.248 (talk) 09:40, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This is not an article but a user page we're talking about (although articles are relevant to its history). The basic idea is that User:Vivek Kumar Pandey edits Wikipedia in a way that benefits Wikipedia, and then is free to create a user page that helps others, that contains memory aids for himself, that modestly describes Wikipedia-relevant aspects of himself for the benefit of other editors, or that does some combination of these. (As a fairly typical example, see this, the user page of Nabla, who started this deletion discussion.) This user page is utterly different; please read and digest this explanation. &para; As for me, I have no opinion on V K Pandey or any other Pandey; I do object to the misuse of Wikipedia for promotional purposes. Still, if you're unconvinced and think that I'm impeding fair discussion, you can obtain a username, log in under it to make some Pandey-unrelated contributions to articles (and thereby convince me that you have the best interests of Wikipedia at heart), and then, still under that username, tell me what's wrong. -- Hoary (talk) 10:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep.I hope people are seeking information from the source and modified this page but not the Vivek Kumar Pandey himself. I found very few edit from Vivek Kumar Pandey. I want to tell admin that the popularity of Pandey increased due to his famous blog Vivekanand and Modern Tradition and this is reason the different Allahabad University IPs are keen to edit his page as per our information. I want to say that the Hoary is the person who also suggested for deletion the page of Prem Chand Pandey who also belong to the village of Vivek Kumar Pandey and became able to justify this deletion. He is not his own uncle but he used to say uncle because they belongs with the same village. At last I also suggest that 3 to 4 year user deletion is not a good decision.117.211.83.245 (talk) 10:31, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me give one more chance. Please do not say any thing to Hoary. I request him to modify my page if possible. I am not very experiences user but if get the chance I will improve myself. I modified my user box as per my best knowledge and request admin to keep me as user on wikipedia. It is four year old user therfore let give one more chance. Dear Hoary I can not get too much time to do such many edits but wireless connection of any institution gives only one IP mostly as you know thus there may be some confusion to you.Dr. Vivek Kumar Pandey (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:28, 22 August 2011 (UTC).
 * Deletion of your user page would not mean, or lead to, your being prevented from editing. -- Hoary (talk) 00:14, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. User: Vivek Kumar Pandey was on Wikipedia: Bureaucrats Request for renaming user‎: with User:Vivekkpandey. "User:Vivekkpandey"  was very old and it renamed to User: Vivek Kumar Pandey by Bureaucrats, thus it says there was no problem with the user page at the time. Some edits in user page resulted the deletion but the same edits are now removed by user himself therefore I request admin to keep it.117.211.83.243 (talk) 11:01, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The user page is in suitable format for user page in wikipedia and also the user is only "Wikipedian in Allahabad" as I found from his page and wikipedian category page. Keep these facts in mind I request the admin to keep high resolution grid of wikipedia this user page in necessary to remain on wikipedia.59.94.113.38 (talk) 11:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The user page is in suitable format for user page in wikipedia -- No it isn't. -- Hoary (talk) 12:01, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - still not notable. In this case, keeping this article in userspace appears to be a means of evading our notability guidelines. Robofish (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as bad a WP:FAKEARTICLE as I've ever seen, and Vivek logging off and "voting" for himself as various IP addresses isn't exactly a sign of a good-faith article either. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:45, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * comment. The user and associated IPs are failing Disruptive editing, with respect to this userpage as well as articles in mainspace.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:55, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I removed the section "Responsibilities and research he carried". I want to clear here that I used the Allahabad University IP wireless and some time Cyber Cafe for login thus I am not sure who another is also using the Allahabad University IP or Cafe IP for the discussion on page related with me. As Hoary say article is not suitable this indicated that the my user:vivekkpandey which renamed as User: Vivek Kumar Pandey can be edited to make suitable for user page. I already invited Hoary and other user to edit my page for making a suitable user page. In this way I have take step to delete the Section "Responsibilities and research he carried" and hope it is a good step toward a suitable page.Dr. Vivek Kumar Pandey (talk) 05:31, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Acceptable User Page. This user page in present form is acceptable as wikipidian.117.199.144.107 (talk) 10:47, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Although ss per my best skill the page is modified to meet user page on wikipedia but for more modification I invite others to edit it.Dr. Vivek Kumar Pandey (talk) 06:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I strongly appeal to accept this User page as wikipedian page. Please see user pages User:Hasan Zaheer, User:Hasan yahya, User:Vivekvc and other user pages.59.94.119.3 (talk) 10:10, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this most helpful comment. I have summarily deleted the first of these. The third is not problematic. As for the second, please see this MfD. Editors with the best interests of Wikipedia in mind would be grateful if you presented links to more user pages of a kind exemplified by the first and second of this trio. -- Hoary (talk) 11:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * comment. I modified and reduced the matter from the page. I want to say that this is a final format of my own experience and invite others also for modification if any possible.Dr. Vivek Kumar Pandey (talk) 05:44, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Now you seem to have the right idea. But why not use the first person? (I'm an Indian scientist and academic in the field of Oceanography with area of specialization in Indonesian Throughflow and Tropical Indian Ocean. In Hindi I write my name विवेक कुमार पाण्डेय [...]) -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The userpage is now looking reasonable. 1st person would be good.  Hopefully, Pandey will expand his list of contributions, and encourage others to contribute also.  Thank you.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:27, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dear Hoary sir I have modified my page as per your suggestion.Dr. Vivek Kumar Pandey (talk) 05:31, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTADVERTISING. I thank for his revising his promotional user page. On 1 August 2008,  wrote at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dr. vivek Kumar Pandey: "*Delete - given the previous history, allowing this content to remain would go beyond the requirements of WP:AGF. It's pretty clearly an attempt to advertise himself and get his name into Wikipedia, which is not what userspace is for. Terraxos (talk) 01:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)" Terraxos's words are applicable today, three years later. After logging out and voting keep multiple times, and finding that consensus does not rest with his position, the user makes last-minute changes to preserve his biography on Wikipedia. Given the long history of disruption, I recommend that the user contribute to Wikipedia for a few months before recreating a user page, especially one with so many promotional external links. Cunard (talk) 06:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio  Let's talk about it! 16:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)




 * Delete. Non-notable biography.  Would like to note that the amount of Sock puppetry/Meatpuppetry should be taken into account here when a count is made.Moxy (talk) 04:03, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * keep. Moxy, matter of discussion is not to create or made an account but matter of discussion is the text entered in user page (or User Box) of this old user recently.  In my opinion the appropriate subject were entered in the text therefore this user page should remain.117.199.147.202 (talk) 09:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The only relevant matters are in the user page. This is reasonable for a Wikipedians.117.199.153.104 (talk) 13:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. User page is neutral one and contribution of the user is remarkable. Being first wikipedian he can promote the others from Allahabad. The most of the IPs in discussion are from UP and most of Allahabad as I guess but theire suggestion to protect the user page is genuin. Pandey have now stable job in Allahabad University therefore he can give most important contribution to Wikipedia using his personal computor with this user page. In past what was it should not count. I want to clear here that User:Vivekvc is different user that this User:Vivek Kumar Pandey.117.199.149.158 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC).
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.