Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:XKV8R

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Votes are evenly split on this one, but in my opinion, the keep votes fail to show how this page doesn't violate policy. Specifically, WP:NOTCV even refers to this exact situation: "If you want to post your résumé or make a personal webpage, please use one of the many free providers on the Internet or any hosting included with your Internet service provider." If anyone wants to attempt to make a draft or an article out of the deleted material, I'm happy to restore it for that purpose. Otherwise, this appears to be over the line for a user page.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 16:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

User:XKV8R

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Violates WP:NOTWEBHOST but unqualified for U5 so here we are. This page, and User:XKV8R/CV, are blatant self promotion. --Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 13:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - This would have been a valid draft that would probably have been declined. If it had been a draft, it would have expired as WP:G13G13 by now.  As a user page, it is a fake article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - If it were in draftspace it would have expired, but it's in userspace and therefore does not expire. Lots of people write biographies of themselves on their user page. If there's confusion about whether this is an article, there are templates to make it clear. I don't think we should be saying people can't put biographical information on their own user page so long as they're WP:HERE. With a few thousand edits, that seems the case here. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 14:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The amount of links on the userpage is against WP:NOTCV which states that Limited autobiographical information is allowed, but user pages do not serve as personal webpages, blogs, or repositories for large amounts of material irrelevant to collaborating on Wikipedia.. The user's live edits within userspace is standing at ~25% (~500/~2000) and I believe that out of the 1300+ deleted edits, a large majority of them were edits at User:XKV8R/CV. --Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 16:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * In practice, we give a huge amount of leeway to all but new users to write about themselves and add random information about their interests that have little to do with Wikipedia (cf. most userboxes). But even if it were the case that this is too much, that doesn't mean we need to delete the history. There are options like trimming/blanking that come before that (although blanking here wouldn't be appropriate because there are multiple sections explicitly connected to their wiki activities). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 16:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Not unreasonable and could be notable. Move to User:XKV8R/Robert Raymond Cargill and leave it alone.  Encourage the main Userpage to be used for introducing the editor, not a formal biography.  SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Are we really doing this again? After all of the law suits and court cases? This entire page was subject to trolling and cleanup and censoring and adjudication during the 2007-2010 legal disputes involving People_v._Golb, and publicized on the front page of the Chronicle of Higher Ed (https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-fall-of-an-academic-cyberbully/). Let's not rekindle the fire.
 * A User can have a user page. User:Minorax has one, and puts on there what Minorax pleases. User:Robert McClenon has one. So why can't I? Perhaps mine looks like a CV because I'm a professional scholar (Go Hawks!), and that's how we do things. I'll tell you what I told the WP censors a decade ago: if you try flexing your muscles and driving the scholars off of wikipedia—especially those of us who defend and promote (and contribute) to the project—then it diminishes the integrity of the entire service. How about you let people portray themselves as they wish? Would you like it better if I put a sleeping cat animation and an article of the day on my user page? One of the beauties of WP is that we're not all the same, and we have different areas of expertise. I've been on this platform for 15 years, and NOW you want to delete it?. How about we find better things to do than patrol scholars' User pages. Thanks. -bc XKV8R (talk) 13:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * While I support keeping here, regarding Perhaps mine looks like a CV because I'm a professional scholar (Go Hawks!), and that's how we do things. -- What you're seeing in this nomination is a reaction to breaking cultural norms about user pages. The norm is for a userpage to be primarily about Wikipedia-related activities, sometimes with some biographical details thrown in. That's true for a regular Randy in Boise as well as all but maybe one or two of the hundreds of academics I've known who edit Wikipedia. Now, I don't think we should have strict rules against it, and don't support this deletion nomination, but that's why you're going to get some very mildly resentful sideways glances. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 02:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If the “WIKIPEDIA INTERESTS” were at the top, it would look more like a Userpage from the start.
 * I move userpage to the top.
 * I’m include to cut his note: "“NOTE: This is the private user page of Dr. Robert Cargill. DO NOT EDIT THIS PAGE for any reason!!”" as “private” is not correct, and the shouty part is not his right. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:44, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This comment goes back to the sockpuppet legal cases that resulted in the conviction of Raphael Golb. He and his aliases were creating problems on my workspaces. But goodness, tell me again why we're arguing about a USER page? XKV8R (talk) 04:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Somebody read your Userpage as an attempt to host your biography in an improper place. They should have raised their problem quietly with you first, but didn’t.  I’d suggest to you that I’d mention Wikipedia near to the top, as many people don’t read the whole thing, and on Wikipedia, your Userpage is supposed to be introducing you as a Wikipedia editor.
 * They also responded without apparently noticing that you have a good number of Wikipedia contributions in your contribution history. I think there is no real problem, and you are being picked on for no good reason. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:55, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Why is User:XKV8R/CV deleted? The log says: "15:43, 15 April 2022 deleted page User:XKV8R/CV (Multiple reasons: speedy deletion criteria U5, G7)" WP:CSD didn’t apply.  “Multiple reasons” beginning with an incorrect reason looks bad.  —SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:55, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. XKV8R had blanked User:XKV8R/CV himself in 2011, and it had remained blank until Minorax tagged it and I deleted it a week ago. Personally, I find it hard to imagine a clearer case of WP:FAKEARTICLE than this user page. (And the supercilious and insulting "Disclaimer" section at the bottom seems to show that the user has little interest in collaborating to create an encyclopedia, instead mainly wanting to throw his scholarly weight around. If I were an associate professor of Classics who thought that "curriculum vita" was acceptable Latin, I'd be more humble.) Deor (talk) 01:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Deor, U5 requires the author to be a non-contributor. Blanking in Userspace does not make G7.  Did User:Minorax mis-tag, and you deleted contrary to policy? SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The page had been blanked for 11 years and the previous content was basically identical to that of User:XKV8R. When Minorax tagged it, I saw no reason not to delete it. If you disagree, bring it up at DRV or ANI. Deor (talk) 11:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I do disagree, but it is not worthy of DRV or ANI. DRV would require a good reason to undelete. I would support User:XKV8R’s request for review at DRV, but it’s not a case I would take there.  I dispute the method of deletion, misapplication of U5 and G7. I understand that Minorax put you in a difficult position by misuse of the CSD tags on a undesirable unimportant redundant blanked page that you think should be deleted, but the better response would be to refer Minorax to the objective criteria at WP:G7 and WP:U5.  I also understand that loose use of U5 is common, and I routinely object to it. Ideally, you would acknowledge that the specific criteria entered into the log did not apply, and I read your responses as close enough to that. SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:30, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete the pertinent page per NOTWEBHOST and for its disclaimer; inform the editor on userspace etiquette. NotReallySoroka (talk) 06:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.