Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Ex-User17




 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Keep No policy based arguments for deletion of user talk page. As stated by Grsz11, deletion of user talk is unusual.Doug.(talk • contribs) 22:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Ex-User17
Editor has retired. Former user talk page has been the target of harassment by neo-nazis and white supremacists in the past. --Ex-User17 (talk) 04:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. per WP:Right to vanish. This editor is still editing. If he/she has retired, there is no reason for them to even visit the page, and policy is against deleting these pages. If he/she wants to disappear, then he/she should just leave just leave. In reviewing the history of his talkpage, I see no evidence that would support this claim of nefarious nazis wrecking the page. From aforementioned policy:
 * Vanishing in this way is not a right. It is a courtesy extended by the Wikipedia community to make it easy for users to exercise their right to leave. Sometimes the community will not extend the courtesy: for example, if the user is not actually leaving, or if the user is not in good standing. The right to vanish might not be extended to users who have been abusive or disruptive, who left when they lost the trust of the community ...--Die4Dixie (talk) 04:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't made a single edit since the name change except for removing D4D's harassing comments from my talk page and making this M4D request. D4D is confusing himself for "the community". Just because he keeps trying to harangue me and make false claims even after I've left does not mean I've "lost the trust of the community". I've only ever been blocked once in the 2 and a half years I've been here and that was for 24 hours more than a year ago, so D4D's insinuation that I am an "abusive and disruptive" user is a pure smear. Anyone who wants to know who the "abusive and disruptive" user is need only compare my block log to his. I am leaving but I trust D4D's incivility and abusiveness will see him banned soon. In any case, I'm not referring to his harassment in my request for deletion but to past abusive comments on my talk page by various neo-nazi and white supremacist users (most of whom have been banned). (Although leaving an abusive comment on a talk page after a user has left is harassment). That he assumes I'm referring to him when I talk about white supremacists is very revealing. Ex-User17 (talk) 14:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the problem with you and your COI. You seem to think that I assumed you were talking about me. I didn't. But now it is telling that you thought I did. I do not see enough evidence of your claim to warrant a deletion of the history. It is a simply an inappropriate request. As for being banned, I think that you should stay and reveal your COI to the community and let them judge the extent of your disruption with all the facts that I have. Everyone who disagrees with you is not a fascist nor a white supremacist. You have not left as you claim, because here you are reading my comments and just having to have the last word. Your arrogant and transparent abuse of the Wikipedia culture and norms has lead to where you are now: Leaving rather than owning what you have done and taking responsability. Your behavour is what drew attention to you. You can hardly expect that the community sit siliently when you edit COI articles without disclosing to push a skewed and abberrent POV. several admins and an arbcom member are following mine and your actions very carefully. You are not being harrassed. The concensus at ANI is that in my dealings with you after my regettable statement have been appropriate and for the good of the community. It is an unpleasant job, but someone has to do it to protect our community. A couple of civility blocks is nothing compare to your actions thatit boggles the mind that you feel that it was ok because you feel that what you are doing has some great noble cause externality that puts you above our policies. Suffice to say, your request is inappropriate, and will be denied. As you said, the editors that you are citing as cause to grant your request are now long ago banned and new ones haven't materialized. Take comfort in that. Que le vaya muy bien---Die4Dixie (talk) 19:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Talk pages are only deleted under specific circumstances. At the bare minimum, the user needs to provide proof of harassment against the individual using the account, not his online persona.  Grsz 11  17:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
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