Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Article Incubator/List of female video game characters by role

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 18:58, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Article Incubator/List of female video game characters by role


This used to be a mainspace article, it underwent an AFD at Articles for deletion/List of female video game characters by role which was closed with a consensus to delete, but somehow it wound up being incubated instead. That was eight months ago. There has been some work done on it relatively recently, but it does not seem to have overcome the issues that led to the decision to delete and Another AFD is pretty much certain if it were moved back, so it should probably just be deleted. Many commenters at the AFD felt it would be better as a category and I am strongly inclined to agree with that perspective. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:18, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. That's stuff for Giant Bomb (oh god, "popular empowered female video game protagonist who was not controversial due to an unrealistically sexualized design", SJ idiots run this place) and Moby Games. --Niemti (talk) 18:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Invalid delete. It was deleted by Black Kite because he said "article as existing is redundant to a category".  You can't delete a list just because you prefer categories.  Most of those listed have their own articles.  This is more useful than a category since more information is presented, and easier to compare entries.   D r e a m Focus  20:32, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep The idea that categories are superior and so supersede lists is explicitly refuted by WP:CLN. The recent case of the category:American novelists showed that categories are actually quite dysfunctional.  The page in question just needs work as there is no difficulty finding sources such as Women in Science Fiction which explicitly list notable female video game characters.  The topic therefore passes WP:LISTN and should be moved back to mainspace. Warden (talk) 11:54, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'd just like to point out two things: First, this is not DRV, we are not here to discuss whether the original closing was proper or not. Secondly, when saying "keep" are you two saying keep as in keep it in the incubator indefinitely or keep as in move it back to article space? Although I personally favor deletion, moving it back to article space seems preferable to indefinitely storing content where our readers are unlikely to even see it. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:10, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The proposition we are discussing is whether to use the delete function. By !voting Keep, I indicate that the delete function should not be used.  What happens after that is a matter of ordinary editing. Warden (talk) 15:30, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Normally I would agree entirely with that statement, but it seems the internal processes of the incubator are not functioning as intended and there is insufficient participation there for consensus-based decision making within the incubator framework. Most discussions on incubated article talk pages involve only a single user, in this case the item doesn't even have a talk page despite being incubated for three-quarters of the past year. MFD seems the only remaining option for finding consensus on what to do with these items. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:35, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Your other incubator MFD nominations haven't attracted any comment and so MFD seems to suffer from a lack of participation too. Now that Wikipedia has millions of articles and most of them are of little interest to anyone, these processes are too dull to work well with volunteer effort.  It seems more sensible to let sleeping dogs lie. Warden (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:ATD-I since no continuous collaborative editing to the page since the 6 January 2013 close of the AfD. There's no showing that the material has been used in some way as required by the close of the AfD as a condition to userify the page. The AfD close noted that it was a pretty clear consensus to delete. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete The original AfD decision was quite correct—the "by role" qualifier made this an awkward piece of WP:OR. Certainly there is enough coverage in reliable sources for a discussion female video game characters, probably even a standalone list, but better that we just start over on that. --BDD (talk) 20:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.