Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:I am sorry you feel...

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  MfD withdrawn. Ok, since some find this useful in project space (although it's mainly a topic suitable for mainspace), I took the liberty to improve the essay, hopefully in a way that makes it more useful/insightful than simply for scoring a point in a wikidispute. Someone not using his real name (talk) 06:21, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry you feel...


Another essay that attempts to provide some kind of normative rule for wikispeech. Its scope is too narrow to be useful in project space. I suggest userfication or deletion per precedent with similar essays: Do not say "With all due respect" and WP:DSWADR. Points (and counterpoints) about cliches in the English language don't really justify full-fledged Wikiproject-space essays (for each one). If you can come up with a humorous way of dissuading the use of this cliche, add it to WP:WIKISPEAK. This "sorry" essay has much fewer incoming links compared to WP:WADR (which pointed to Do not say "With all due respect" until last fall.) Someone not using his real name (talk) 03:20, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Someone not using his real name, I am sorry you feel this essay in inappropriate, but it is definitely intended well, related to the project, and not unreasonable.  You a free to attempt to improve its scope.  And, with all due respect, Do not say "With all due respect" does not provide a precedent, as it was clearly deleted due to the preference of the author, and not due to community disapproval.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, an essay written in 2009 with less than 10 pages linking to it (and only two or three actual invocations in discussions) is almost certainly too narrow to be in project space. Should I start WP:Don't start a project-space essay if it's only going to be useful to 3 wikipedians to argue about a minor point in the English language so they can score a pseudo-civility wikipoint in a talk-page dispute? Someone not using his real name (talk) 03:43, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It could be that the message is simple enough that it doesn't require linking. It is not that you should, but you certainly may.  If it is not too pointy, and doesn't mislead, offend, contradict policy, etc, then it has a good chance of staying.  What we don't want to do is appear to suppress or censor experienced Wikipedians' project-related opinions.  You are starting to cross some lines in suggesting that an experienced and respected Wikipedian wrote this essay for a talk page WP:GAMEing purpose.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:59, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Very well. I've amended the essay. Frankly, this content probably belongs in a mainspace article, perhaps in non-apology apology, because the material is amply discussed in sources (both howto-ish and more academic/descriptive ones). Someone not using his real name (talk) 04:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm all for clearing about misguided or inappropriate stuff, but this essay is fine. Its message is accurate, and it carries good advice that is capable of benefitting the community. Johnuniq (talk) 03:55, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.