Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Zimdars' fake news list

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep/withdrawn per nominator. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:09, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Zimdars' fake news list


We have taken the personal opinions of Melissa Zimdars, associate professor of communications at Merrimack College, and enshrined them as a sub page off of our identifying reliable sources page. I see no reason why we should allow this while not allowing subpages off of our identifying reliable sources page enshrining the opinions of Scott Shackford, Chelsea Schilling,[ http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/meet-leftist-prof-who-wrote-hit-list-of-fake-news-sites/ ] Shawn Hannity, Kira Davis, Ethan Barton, or Samantha Chang? Could someone please explain to me why their opinions aren't just a good (and just as bad) as the opinion of Melissa Zimdars and just as worthy (and just as unworthy) of an identifying reliable sources subpage? Guy Macon (talk) 17:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * We seem to be having the exact same discussion in 2 places at once. Should I just repeat the same comments here or do you want to centralize this discussion at one location? Kaldari (talk) 19:02, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The discussion on the article talk page is about improving the article, in this case by adding sections for all of the biased, unreliable sources listed above.
 * This discussion is about deleting the page or moving it someplace where it isn't a subpage to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)


 * keep, mark it as an essay (done). Useful resource. We "enshrine" (via "see also") lots of essays of people with even less credentials. We have it because this list was released under Creative Commons, so we can copy it and format in the form convenient for us. Moreover, we can also edit it, if we decide that some entries are wrong. The opinions of other people are just as good, and if they release them under CC, we can just the same use them here.   Staszek Lem (talk) 19:40, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I did not write "enshrine". I wrote "enshrine as a sub page off of our identifying reliable sources page". I would have no problem if this was in one of the usual places where we keep essays. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Userfy to User:Kaldari/Zimdars' fake news list or move to Zimdars' fake news list. An essay shouldn't reside on the subpage of a content guideline. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 21:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Standalone essay (first choice) or userfy (second choice) or works for me. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Standalone essay is fine with me, although I still think we should link to it from WP:NEWSORG so that people can find it. Kaldari (talk) 23:57, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Appropriate essay.  DGG ( talk ) 08:11, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I am surprised that you think that it is appropriate in its current location. Would you object to other opinions/essays being added as subpages to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources? --Guy Macon (talk) 08:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I am pretty much sure that location is a non-issue now. Once everybody agreed it is OK to have it as an essay, moving it to a standard location is a pure technical moment nobody will oppose. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:31, 15 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as an essay, which was tagged as such by another user after this was nominated for deletion (diff). Note that I moved the link on the WP:RS page to the Essays section in its See also section (diff). North America1000 19:18, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Appropriate ProjectSpace work.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:56, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. This will only become more important and probably should eventually be upgraded to something more officially WP:PAG. jps (talk) 14:03, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep but move it out of the IRS namespace. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants   Tell me all about it.  22:44, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Does anyone object to me withdrawing this AfD and moving the following three pages to become stand-alone essays (Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Zimdars' fake news list to Wikipedia:/Zimdars' fake news list and so forth)?
 * Identifying reliable sources/Zimdars' fake news list
 * Identifying reliable sources/List of reasons why Zimdars' fake news list is itself "fake" -->
 * Identifying reliable sources/List of reasons why the list of reasons why Zimdars' fake news list is itself "fake" is fake
 * --Guy Macon (talk) 04:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No objections, so I am WP:BOLDLY making the moves. If nobody reverts, this MfD may be closed as withdrawn. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:28, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.