Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Rgalo10

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Rgalo10

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Utterly pointless and contrary to policy. Not every sock master is an LTA and we certainly shouldn’t be giving attention them. This has no value and SPI is functional enough for this purpose. VAXIDICAE💉 02:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Pointless promotion of a routine troublemaker. The page has no value and WP:DENY is best. Johnuniq (talk) 02:33, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. VAXIDICAE💉, please inform the MfD that you are an SPI clerk and qualified for this, when MFDing LTA or SPI pages. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * if it were up to me we would deprecate the use of this entirely...;) VAXIDICAE💉 10:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Depricate what? MfD?  LTA?  Life?  The universe? —SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:48, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * New LTA pages. VAXIDICAE💉  10:54, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I would look at arguments made during past MfDs before going down this route. If SPI clerks find the information useful then why deprecate it? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't generally. That was the point. I don't know of a single clerk that finds these pages generally useful. VAXIDICAE💉  20:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:QUICKSOCK and WP:NOTFISHING concern me here when it comes to dismissing these pages. Some users go to great lengths to conceal their identity, and its not unheard of where a years long user has been found to be socking. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:05, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Every single sock master is not an LTA. LTA is long term abuse, not every person who gets blocked and socks. And if someone's identity is concealed, it shouldn't be posted at WP:LTA as that would be WP:OUTING. Stop feeding trolls. We need to stop making their tells even more obvious so they can evade and stop giving them the glory. VAXIDICAE💉  20:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes you are right... not every sock is a WP:LTA. I never said anything about posting personal information though... this is more along the line of identifying behaviors and patterns. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Which is done easily at SPI. And almost all of the socks listed here are so mind numbingly obvious, they just get reported to AIV. VAXIDICAE💉  20:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I am in agreement for this particular case... If you choose to go after WP:LTA then I encourage a look-through on arguments presented in past MfDs is all. There is no sense repeating the same WP:DENY rationales posed by past nominators. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. This sockmaster is so obviously socking and disruptive that they can be blocked on sight even by someone who isn't familiar with them at all. Documentation like this is unneeded and does little aside from memorialising them. --Blablubbs | talk 11:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:DENY. —  csc -1 14:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:LTA "Only add vandals that have a need to be pointed out, especially ones whose contributions could be confused for good-faith edits by somebody unfamiliar with their modus operandi. This includes sneaky sockpuppeteers, prolific trolls, POV-pushers, editors who add deliberately false or biased information and promotional editors. Blatant vandals whose sockpuppet accounts would be blocked swiftly as vandalism-only even if they weren't evading a previous block usually do not need to be listed here." - The vandalism put forward in this case is straightforward per Blablubbs. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:DENY. Personally I'd like to go one step further and either delete all of these or password-protect the pages as at this point these are just a hall of fame really. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:58, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per WP:DENY. User:D47817 and User:Profile101 are two similar users that have a lot longer wikispans and yet both dont have LTA pages - I am with Praxidicae here in saying that this isn't really warranted. SPI and AIV are better pages when it comes to reporting socks, not LTA pages. Nightfury 22:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: WP:DENY Aasim (talk) 20:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: (alias VAXIDICAE) says "We need to stop making their tells even more obvious so they can evade ... "' Why is that not glaringly obvious to everyone? How often is a perfectly good SPI report either declined or turned into a very useful piece of advice to the sockpuppeteer on how to avoid detection next time, by some administrator or clerk telling the person who filed the report that they need to give a detailed explanation of the evidence, instead of just providing enough pointers so that an experienced administrator or clerk can follow them up? I have always thought that is stupid. And helping out sockpuppeteers by setting up a "long term abuse" page where we write out carefully detailed instructions for them on what giveaway signs to avoid with their future sockpuppets is taking the same thing one more step forward. JBW (talk) 23:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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