Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Restricted materials


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. Gmaxwell (talk) 19:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Restricted materials
Confusing personal essay that runs counter to foundation policy and established consensus that really should be in the userspace if anywhere. This is because presence in Category:Wikipedia copyright and the Projectspace may cause unnecessary confusion to individuals attempting to decide if an image is free or non-free.  MBisanz  talk 02:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What? What the page says is absolutely true. There are additional restrictions such as trademark or FOP on some images that we allow to remain because the image is technically copyright free, but may carry other legal restrictions. Hell, even Smokey the Bear pics are non-free in a technical sense because US law prohibits misusing the character, even though depictions of him by the Forest Service are copyright free. Keep as the page is absolutely correct. -Nard 03:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I rewrote it between MBisanz's nom and your vote. --Gmaxwell (talk) 06:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Nard. The essay does appear to be accurate. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep That apple example is freakin' gold. Does this page have a short cut yet? -- Ned Scott 04:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral leaning delete: No one seemed to think we had a need for this page until this latest round in the "lets declare everything non-free as an excuse to ditch WP:NFCC" game. At the moment the page is not offensively wrong, but I expect that it will just be a magnet for foolish claims in the future. --Gmaxwell (talk) 06:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * keep This has been discussed at length at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content, I would like to see where this goes before considering deletion, I have never seen a stronger instance of Don't demolish the house while it's still being built Fasach Nua (talk) 11:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, actively discussed, good to know, also WP:SOSUMI, :) ViperSnake151 15:23, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I think the current version is clear enough not to be userfied.  Burying it in userspace could lead to readers being more confused (I plan to keep a personalized version if the essay is deleted.)  Yet instead it has the distinct possibility of being useful to educate readers as to why we don't delete swastikas, apples, nudity....  It draws together refutations that have appeared in talk pages numerous times over the years, and should also allow us to record the few corner cases where the community has chosen to delete images or to delete them from certain contexts, or when we have kept them despite vocal opposition.  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 15:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The reasons to delete this given by the person who nominated this for deletion doesn't seem to be valid, and no other valid concerns have been brought up thus far, so I must support keeping this.--SJP (talk) 20:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and fix it, possibly tag it as disputed. This is a valid essay with multiple contributors related to wikipedia.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's disputed at this point. No one undid my rewrite. --Gmaxwell (talk) 07:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
I hope it doesn't encourage the fair use trolls that Gmaxell has warned us about (I really am not one of that clan, despite appearances.) If it does attract trolls, I hope it helps contain them. Please consider your prognosis in the light of WP:DNFT before you !vote, as, to be honest, I am basing my response on my limited experience of trolls. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 15:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.