Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Shunning

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  keep. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 08:20, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Shunning


An incredibly provocative essay suggesting a way to drive editors away from Wikipedia. Seems this essay is mostly cited for the purpose of harassment and not out of any virtuous interest in improving the project. The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 22:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd say keep, but weakly. It's a salvageable idea, stepping away from a Dispute to clear the juices, it just needs to be fleshed out better. (A better name wouldn't be the worst idea, either). Achowat (talk) 22:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I find the above description that the purpose is for "harassment" baffling. The essay advocates ignoring particularly disruptive editors/trolls. It seems to me ignoring someone is the exact opposite of harassing them. Yobol (talk) 22:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * We have an essay for "do not feed the trolls" and that focuses on vandalism. This specifically suggests it is not about editors who are trolling, but about editors who seem in the opinion of another editor to be "more interested in fighting" than in consensus. We have essays like WP:LETGO, WP:STICK, WP:COOL, and others that emphasize stepping away from a situation if you are having difficulty remaining patient. The guideline on disruptive editing suggests ways to deal with disruption. This appears to be nothing more than a suggestion that editors ignore anyone they cannot come to an understanding with in the hopes the other person will be frustrated into leaving. "Shunning" all on its own has a negative connotation regularly associated with various forms of bullying and harassment.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 23:07, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - it's an essay, and we permit a lot of leeway in that area. In this case, while it might be unfortunately titled, I think the message of this essay is not a bad one: if you don't get on with a certain editor and frequently find yourself in disputes with them, often the best thing to do is simply to ignore them and avoid interacting with them in the first place. If more of us followed that advice, WP:ANI would be a much quieter place. Robofish (talk) 13:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reasonable essay by a prominent Wikipedian.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 15:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I can not find any policy saying that only 'correct" essays are permitted. Brings no disreoute etc. on Wikipedia, so not actual reason to delete. Collect (talk) 15:18, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The problem is specifically that it suggests groups of editors do this to drive away others and has been used with that intent. Many essays address this question of stepping from conflict without suggesting a scarlet letter approach reminiscent of high school bullying.--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 00:22, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. I and User:Noetica used this precise technique with each other after a massive dispute several years ago. After around a month or so of "I do not see you, you do not exist", we talked again, found common ground, and now get along famously. It's like a micro-WikiVacation you can take from arguing with a specific other editor, and can be very helpful.  Yes, you can also be a WP:DICK about it, too, but that's true of anything. To the extent its extant wording may raise a pro-WP:GANG issue, the "Edit" link exists for a reason; just fix it. — SMcCandlish    Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 00:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - I find it quite funny DA is only nominating for deletion after I suggested editors shun him for being disruptive. Shunning is a very good idea that should be used more often - stop feeding the troll and he either dies or goes to find greener pastures. Toa   Nidhiki  05  23:31, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
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