Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Steam

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete.  bibliomaniac 1  5  21:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Steam

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As an avid user of both WP:DISCORD and WP:IRC, I am all for providing ample alternatives to talk page communication, and to ensure smooth collaboration. But I think a Steam group goes a step too far. Discord and IRC are useful because they allow communication faster than talk pages, thus aiding collaboration. But Steam is not a collaboration software, it is a gaming platform. Wikipedia is not a game host.

I also take issue with the fact that this page has been created by an editor with only ten edits to the English Wikipedia. Their native platform is the Ukrainian wiki, and the steam group itself is partially in Ukrainian...which is not very helpful to us English speakers. If the Ukrainian wiki would like to have a group, that is their prerogative. But I do not think the English Wiki should have one, especially if it isn't moderated by an English admin, like the Discord server is. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 05:48, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think the point of the page was for communication or anything. I also don't think the comparison to Discord makes sense here either. One of the primary purposes of the Discord is offtopic banter. Plus discord is unofficial while IRC is. I think that if an unofficial Discord page is allowed, an unofficial Steam page should also be. You linked to WP:NOTSOCIAL to justify this, but indeed the Discord page is quite for social purposes. While Wikipedia is not to be used as a social networking, I see no reason not to have other platforms to do such on. I think the disclaimers that it is unofficial and such would be sufficient here. I will say that I was not aware of the low edit count of the person creating it, and that is certainly a point to be considered, but I would not want to delete the page on that alone. I ultimately do not see a reason to delete this as long as it is treated in a manner similar to Project:Discord Naleksuh (talk) 06:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: We are not a a social networking service. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 06:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * By that logic, Project:Discord should also be deleted. Wikipedia is not a social networking service, but what is the problem with having something else that is one? Naleksuh (talk) 06:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I would argue that Discord is not a social media service. Sure it has an offtopic section, but more so to have a place to send conversations that aren't wiki related so they don't suck up oxygen. The rest of the channels are dedicated to specific parts of Wikimedia. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 06:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Our Discord server is used to discuss Wikipedia and other relevant topics. Steam is only used for gaming. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 06:21, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I cannot imagine how does this nomination apply to fact that the main place of my work is Ukrainian Wikipedia. Do you have something against Ukraine and Ukrainians? Or are you dissatisfied only with Ukrainian Wikipedia itself? On the account of «partially in Ukrainian» — I fundamentally disagree. The main language of the group in Steam is English. And you can easily verify this for yourself.


 * I think that this nomination for removal is completely far-fetched and wrong. After all, the page does not violate WP:NOTSOCIAL. But, if in the nominator's opinion the page still violates the rules of English Wikipedia, I ask him to also nominate similar WP:Discord and WP:IRC. Steam is a platform not only for games, but also for communication!


 * And the argument that the group «is not moderated by the administrators of the English Wikipedia» is generally incredible! --Kisnaak (talk) 06:17, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The nomination makes zero mentions of the Ukraine at any point at all, so you really shouldn’t cast aspersions and try to make it about that. This is coming from a neutral edit who isn’t taking a stance on the matter either, FYI.  Sergecross73   msg me  14:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Weak keep or merge to a not-yet-existent directory of offwiki groups. Under the rule "project space is exclusively for coordination of activities directly linked to improving the encyclopedia", this page would definitely be deleted. I don't think that's the consensus position - or at least it's not enshrined in policy anywhere I've looked. We should clarify with an RfC. But in this case, I think the page is useful. One general question is "since some platforms on the Internet, like Steam, allow interest groups/social groups to be created, can interest groups by and for Wikipedians be advertised onwiki in project space?" I think so, yes (meeting Wikipedians in other mediums, offline or not, is good for the community), although to cut down on the spammy nature of such advertisement we could probably centralize at one directory. Enterprisey (talk!) 09:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect in place of above "weak keep" but merge to a not-yet-existent directory of offwiki groups per everything else above. Yay, hyphenation! —Geekdiva (talk) 04:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Move to meta which is place for keeping stuff that aren't enwiki-specific, but possibly relevant to all of wikimedia. is there a reason you chose to create this page on enwiki rather than on meta or your own wiki? –  SD0001  (talk) 10:01, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The page was on Meta, English, Ukrainian and Russian Wikipedias from the beginning. --Kisnaak (talk) 14:20, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Transwiki to Meta: per SD0001. This seems to be the best option. It would address most of the concerns above while giving it a more proper place to reside. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 13:01, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Move to meta per SD0001/Godsy. Delete per Barkeep, SmokeyJoe. It looks like a Meta page has already been created by Kisnaak so simply redirect to it (or delete, either one). -- ferret (talk) 13:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Since it's already on meta I am at delete because that's the right place for this. I think the right parallels here are to Facebook or Twitter which have enwiki/Wikimedia Foundation related groups/content/users but which we don't promote in quite the same way as IRC/Discord/Mattermost. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Personally, I would not oppose a soft redirect existing here. I agree this is different than IRC & Discord, but it is not quite Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram either. I am not too familiar with Steam, but it may have a function similar to discord built into it. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 00:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Does not contribute to the project, the connection is less than flimsy. It is not more relevant to meta. Do not even Userfy, because the author is not a contributor. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:19, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * More or less agree here. I'm a long time Steam user, from the very beginning, but I cannot see how the community would use the platform in a meaningful way beyond "play games together". If a directory of "social media platform groups" is ever built, it could be listed there. -- ferret (talk) 12:46, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. If kiddies want to play video games and network, there are many other communities out there specific to that purpose. If people with a similar interest want to improve Wikipedia, there is the IRC. --WaltCip- (talk)  12:46, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete for a combination of reasons. First, it isn't clear what value the originator wants to add with it.  Second, it doesn't appear to belong in WP space.  Third,  the originator appears not to be using Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, but only for Steam, whatever it is.  Any discussion about whether to allow on Meta can be at Meta.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:30, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I use Steam and can safely say that nobody uses it to discuss Wikipedia. It would make for an interesting Youtuber account though as outside of the box. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think the WP:Steam is off topic, just like WaltCip said. Thy Pyrometer (talk) 08:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia is not a game playing matchmaking service -- Whpq (talk) 18:33, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.