Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:TheWikiWizard

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: keep. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 22:03, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:TheWikiWizard


This amateur newsletter seems like an unnecessary addition to the project. It’s basically just two users shouting into the void as few people view it; the December issue was delivered to two people: the two editors who work on the page. It’s a distraction from actual work on the project. The users spend more energy toward this than improving Wikipedia. The project is really akin to the signature shops and related subpages of yesteryear. This nomination is for all related subpages as well. only (talk) 19:23, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: Please also delete this category, its talk archive subcategory, this redirect and this subpage of my sandbox if this closes as delete, as those are also part of TWW. PorkchopGMX  ( talk with me  -  what i've done ) 20:38, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Also there’s a Simple English TWW in userspace, just wanting to throw that in. PorkchopGMX  ( talk with me  -  what i've done ) 20:40, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Striking my vote out. Thegooduser  Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 23:18, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Question - Is the shouting into the void doing any harm? Robert McClenon (talk) 21:01, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Correction It was the January Issue that was delivered. :-), another note, I sort disagree with the fact that I spend more energy on TWW than on the project, If you look in my contributions I am always reverting vandalism, tagging pages for deletion on the project, I am not being rude here or anything at all, I understand your concern and I accept the fact that this paper needs to be deleted. Thanks. :) Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 21:10, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Agree for the most part and it doesn't look like this newsletter will ever gain any actual traction. Hiàn (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I originally thought more people would join the Paper, but Until now there was only 2, I guess I was wrong. Thegooduser   Life Begins With a Smile :)  🍁 23:29, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete When this Deletion discussion started, I started to think that TWW was a waste of time. Why are you shouting in the void when you can do something else? Also I had the same thought as Thegooduser, that there was going to be more people working on the project and then I was wrong. PorkchopGMX  ( talk with me  -  what i've done ) 16:41, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Striking vote because based on the below Keep votes, I’ve changed my mind. PorkchopGMX  ( talk with me  -  what i've done ) 17:00, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per Esperanza << FR (mobileUndo) 04:00, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Striking vote per excellent rationale by Oshwah and Nick Moyes. << FR (mobileUndo) 14:31, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete If the newsletter's creator supports its deletion, then there is no reason to keep it. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 04:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, and simply let the page creator add if, and when, they're good and ready. This is a very young lad with huge enthusiasm for Wikipedia and genuine commitment, who has set out on the road to becoming a really great contributor here, and who I and others like  and  have wanted to help and support. (Though more than once we've felt the need to invite them to slow down and ensure they get their school and real life priorities in balance and not overdo it.) But this MfD serves only to demoralise a new editor who really deserved praise for their efforts; their Wikiwizard newsletter does no harm to anyone or to the project, and showed huge initiative. I address this to the original proposer,  you are an administrator and should be ashamed of yourself for not assessing the enthusiasm of this young person, for failing to recognise the initiative they have taken in producing this newsletter and, most importantly, for saying of that work: "It’s a distraction from actual work on the project. The users spend more energy toward this than improving Wikipedia." I would point out how hypocritical that sounds, when  has made more mainspace edits since they started here in 2017 than you appear to have made in total since 2010 You might wish to strike that comment, and consider the appropriateness of this deletion proposal. I quiet word on their talk page or on TWW could have been a far more sensitive way for an admin to have approached this matter. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep or allow me to move it into Thegooduser's userspace - I agree with Nick Moyes above in that Thegooduser, assuming that he really does support the deletion, should be the one to request it and when he's ready. As many of you know, I'm usually not one to run in and take sides on a discussion or issue like this. I enjoy staying in the "uninvolved and the neutral-viewpoint world" and helping the project, assisting with discussions, disputes, and incidents from that distance. However, seeing this discussion, I'd feel that it would be wrong of me to not voice my thoughts here. Thegooduser is a enthusiastic editor who I feel truly cares about this project and really wants to learn, grow, and be a big part of the community with us... so much, that he goes as far as to try and write his own newsletters to help encourage positivity, friendship, and teamwork with the community. Thegooduser is at the "journeyman" level of experience here (or, actually - looking at his tenure and edits - at the "Yeoman" stage), and he has plenty more that he still needs to learn and become experienced with. However, I honestly feel that with the level of passion that he demonstrates here, he'll someday grow to become one of our finest contributors... I have no doubt that he will. The newsletter isn't causing any harm, and deleting it would take that hard work and desire and it would take that away from him. In all honesty, I feel that we'd be causing more harm to the project by deleting the page than good - not because the newsletter will disappear, but because we'll risk causing him to feel disheartened and lose the passion that, quite frankly, we don't see as much around here anymore... and we'll risk robbing ourselves of someone who cares about this project...... and all because, for some... apparent reason, we "have to delete this page". Let's throw the guy a bone here and give him a break; instead of sending someone toward the door, can we perhaps help and encourage him to learn and grow with us? :-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   03:35, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Nothing here violates any policy or guideline, and there is no disruption. Let the editors who started this little project decide whether or not to keep it going. It is not up to or anyone else to decide how other editors should spend their time, unless policies or guidelines are being violated. And they aren't. Cullen328   Let's discuss it  05:27, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep or at least move to userspace. I think this was a good initiative, and I myself attempted a similar idea at Template:Wikipedia News, but I also think Thegooduser would probably get much more readership if he became a signpost editor. L293D (☎ • ✎) 14:35, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
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