Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Thesis

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  userfy to User:Hyacinth/Thesis. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:30, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Thesis

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The, uh, thesis of this essay is encapsulated in its first sentence: Wikipedia articles should contain a thesis statement early in their introductions and listed at the top their talk pages. This is just plain wrong. Essays are given fairly wide latitude to adopt minority viewpoints, but this runs directly counter to WP:NOTESSAY, a widely accepted policy. Keeping it in projectspace risks confusing any newcomers who might come across it, and it has essentially no redeeming educational value to weigh against that. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Patently wrong. Note this was discussed on the Discord server. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 06:33, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Userfying works too. C LYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 03:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Userfy to User:Hyacinth/Thesis as a disputed single-author essay. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete/userfy, it's on my watchlist due to previous vandalism but now that I think about it it's not appropriate for the Wikipedia namespace. Graham 87 10:32, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Userfy: patently goes against WP:NOTESSAY, WP:NPOV, etc. Edward-Woodrow :) [ talk ] 12:03, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * So I'm pretty sure this essay is a joke. The 'square' paragraph, at least, is clearly humour, and the essayist was an experienced editor at the time of its creation. Userfy given the title could be misleadingly authoritative -- assuming the creator doesn't object, as they still seem semi-active -- but this should be harmless if tagged as humour. Vaticidalprophet 13:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, seems possible. @Hyacinth, we are much stricter these days about requiring humor to be tagged than in 2011. Please ensure that any humor pages you may have created are in compliance with WP:HREQ. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 15:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think I could've come up with a more bureaucratic way to put it if I tried. Vaticidalprophet 17:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Userfy or Delete - Wikipedia articles should begin with a lede sentence or paragraph, so this is incorrect. If this is meant to be humor, it isn't amusing.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:27, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Userfy, the essay is clearly relevant to the goals of WP, and thus doesn't violate any userspace rules Mach61 (talk) 02:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Userfy. I don't think it's humour. The main problem with it as it stands is the "should" advice, since it doesn't describe current practice. casualdejekyll  03:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It didn't describe 2011 practice either (contrary to a general 'increasing standards' perception, by 2009-2010ish most content discussions you can find archived look pretty much the same as they do now, and when they don't it's in complex directions that don't correspond trivially to a "higher" or "lower" standards trend). The "square" paragraph is obviously not meant to be taken at face value, and the essay as a whole reads as very dry humour given the context that "articles should be written like theses" is as absurd a statement in 2011 as 2023 and that the author had been around for many years by that point. Vaticidalprophet 12:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading or incorrect; only userfy if the author requests userfication. Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper - (talk)  13:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.