Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:User page design center

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Kept - I'm not going to remove the historical tag, but there isn't a consensus here to enforce a closure of it either; If someone begins maintaining it again, they can reasonably remove the historical tag without this discussion providing a concensus to override that, as it doesn't have one. Wily D 07:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

User page design center


See Village_pump_%28proposals%29. Basically this projet seems to be completely dead. I haven't been able to find anyone active on this wikiproject even when posting at WP:UPDC talk page. It's not a simple job to deal with this project either, as mentioned at WP:VPR: there are 62 subpages so probably a lot of links that will go red if they aren't dealt with. I'm willing to do this but I want to make sure there is a clear consensus first. IRWolfie- (talk) 15:23, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Tag historical inactive pages aren't usually deleted if they have some history or were once used. Hut 8.5 15:28, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Tag historical Inactive page, but has been used in the past.  Ebe  123  → report 16:45, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Tag historical - or if you have the energy (or can find collaborators) then merge fiercely before tagging anything, so that the actual information content is still accessible, whilst the "noticeboard" element is deprecated/redirected. —Quiddity (talk) 21:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * That works too. Merging would make the tagging easier anyway. IRWolfie- (talk) 22:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep a useful source on formatting for new users. Jamesyboy2468 (talk) 18:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

>>I really disagree with deleting The User page design center I think it is very helpful! Lopezjaylo98 (talk) 21:15, 11 September 2012 (UTC) Copied from talk page Hut 8.5 21:19, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - I'm the creator of the User Page Design Center (UPDC), and built most of it. It was designed more as a help page system than as a WikiProject.  Note that its traffic has grown over the years, not the other way around.  As help pages, these pages are still used - they are where users go for tips on how to build their user pages.  The UPDC is also a collection of wikicode for use on user pages, and is highly relevant to anyone looking for user page design help.  Deleting the UPDC would be counter-productive (because it is still in use).  Marking the project as "historical" will only confuse new users.  I'm about to redesign my own user page, and I will be happy to overhaul, update, and expand the UPDC at the same time.  Please keep it.  Thank you.  The Transhumanist 01:21, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Nono! Come at it from our angle. (Note: nobody has suggested deletion! This process should be (is!) really called "Miscellany for discussion".) Per the VP link: The main problems are:
 * it was listed in Template:Noticeboard_links, but there aren't dozens of editors waiting to actively answer questions in an immediate and frequent fashion, nor a need/desire for a separate noticeboard. (Note: This is also part of a current serious attempt to reduce the abundance of noticeboards! Many are being merged. So that each one is more active, and more useful, and there are fewer altogether (as that template is utterly overwhelming).)
 * There are 62 subpages (also talk page search), which is immensely hard for anyone-but-the-creator(you!) to get a mental handle on. It's daunting to any editors that are interested in helping to maintain/watchlist it all, and daunting to newcomers looking for a simple answer. (Ie. You went transclusion- and duplication-crazy again! Copying everything relevant from everywhere, and putting it all in (10 huge pages. listed in a confusingly squashed top-tab-style-navbar (maybe try sidebar instead?)). ;p ) On top of that, much of it is very dated (from circa 2007). Styles and possibilities have evolved considerably since then.
 * The "Less is more" principle is direly needed, and a lot of people are trying to apply it to the Wikipedia: and Help: spaces.
 * I think we'd all be happy, if the number of pages could be drastically reduced (Maybe as far down as 5 core pages, plus the in-use original-embedded content like /Menus and subpages/files ? Make it as condensed and concise as possible. Make it a "minimal maintenance needed" resource). Plus getting the people-looking-for-immediate-answers directed to a more central&populous&diverse location (and reduce the quantity of "noticeboards").
 * Yah? —Quiddity (talk) 06:41, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Tag historical. It's time. And Quiddity makes a lot of sense above. -- &oelig; &trade; 06:10, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. A useful  learning  tool  for formatting  and Wikimarkup. I  link  new users to  it  quite often. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Which part specifically? It needs to be changed if you want a static reference, some parts encourage interaction; but there are no volunteers around to answer anything. IRWolfie- (talk) 20:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
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