Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:What you won't learn in new admin school

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Keep. — xaosflux  Talk 13:47, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

What you won't learn in new admin school


"What you won't learn in new admin school" is far from an unofficial and irreverent guide to new admins. It's a poisonous rant which is likely to discourage both new and established users. Telling new admins that "there is almost certainly something better you should be doing" and praising those who "go out with a blaze of glory" is detrimental to the community. Note that page crator has blocked himself indefinitely.- Gilliam (talk) 17:39, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep It's an essay and doesn't require you to agree with it. Why didn't you post an RfC on the talk page and ask about userfication rather than start this MfD? Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep a legitimate expression of opinion which doesn't strike me as at all dangerous. According to Policies and guidelines if it is found to contradict widespread consensus it should be userfied, but I certainly don't see any reason to delete it and I suspect a lot of people will agree with much of it. The author's unusual retirement method doesn't have any bearing here.  Hut 8.5  18:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I would also find it appropriate to userfy the page in this situation.- Gilliam (talk) 19:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep – Serving as an admin leads to all kinds of surprises. This essay draws attention to some of them. I disagree with many of the opinions but they seem harmless. EdJohnston (talk) 20:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete or Userfy per OP. Especially in its original form which has been subsequently euphemized, this essay with its "us-versus-them" mentality and posture is clearly contrarian to any notions of professed WP values like "collaborative editing" or "collegiate WP community". It's inherently divisive, more consistent with WP:BATTLEground. The fact that author is admin is the tickler. (Another essay with similar problems is WP:DICK, inherently a name-call and consisent with WP:NPA. Which will be more readily apparent no doubt when someone has the balls to author its companion piece WP:CUNT.) The amount of hypocrisy in stated-policy/values-versus-practice is high, and removal of this essay is but a drop in the bucket, but to keep this admin-authored essay in WP space lays the hypocrisy out on the table and should not find approval or sanction since it is obviously "unbecoming of admin" for reasons already explained. p.s. The alternative is to get rid of policies WP:NPA and WP:ADMINACCT. (I wouldn't be opposed, since those are clearly irrelevant and exist-on-paper-only, used against one's enemies as convenience or at whim.) To have both justfies "WP is a bunch of hypocrisy" claim, but not due to dysfunction, but intention. (IMO a keep !vote here exemplifies said intention.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd certainly prefer this userfied. I complained about a section in 2012 that was quite simply insulting. At the time, I didn't realise it was the work of one user. Giving it the "Wikipedia:" namespace legitimises the opinions in the piece and so it should be moved to the user space. Worm TT( talk ) 11:07, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is an essay, an opinion piece. It is bitter and cynical, perhaps, but it is about Wikipedia and it makes valid points here and there. Deletion of this would be a simple matter of WP:IDONTLIKEIT and best, censorship of dissent at worst. Carrite (talk) 14:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a discussion, right? If so, I don't censor anyone. (And in fact, I don't particularly like any of the WP policies and essays in WP space. [So, like or dislike is irrlevant to my considerations.] My point above was simply that the obvious "us vs. them" WP:Battleground attitude which produced this essay, is inconsistent w/ what is considered becoming of admins per WP:ADMIACCT expectations re collegiality/community, and the fact the essay came from the pen of an admin, all the more so. So it is a matter of consistency of professed WP values and expectations re admin, nothing subjective or personal as you've twisted here.]) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 16:06, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


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