Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiAfrica/Stubs/Delville Wood Memorial, Cape Town

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  No consensus (non-admin closure). MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) (please reply using &#x7B;&#x7B;ping&#x7D;&#x7D;) 03:37, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiAfrica/Stubs/Delville Wood Memorial, Cape Town


Draft from 2012 that has been covered by Delville Wood South African National Memorial which was created in 2010. This one has a single citation but it's for the statement that "there are controversies" as to the number killed in the battle which is not even worth merging to keep. Ricky81682 (talk) 17:37, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Don't make busywork, WP:ATD, redirection is the simpler answer to things like this.  Accidental content forks should be redirected.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:29, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom, redundant. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 14:49, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * "redundant" is not a reason for delete, but for redirect. Redirects are cheap, MfD nominations are not.  If you were to search for all draft redundancies and seek their deletion, that would be extremely absurd.  Doing it on just one is just an isolated single absurdity.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:12, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - I created the 2010 article on the Delville Wood South African National Memorial which is in France. This draft article is on the replica of the central part of that memorial, erected in Cape Town. It is one of a number of memorials erected in South Africa to their dead of World War I. See for example: Artillery Memorial, Cape Town. The existing article on the memorial in France does mention that there are two replicas, one in Pretoria (image) and one in Cape Town (image). I suspect it would be possible to have separate articles on each memorial, but the Cape Town one is covered at Company's Garden, where there is another example of a monument that has a separate article: Japanese Lantern Monument. The Pretoria Delville Wood memorial is mentioned briefly in Union Buildings. Carcharoth (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you think it should be kept? Do you think it's notable enough for a separate article? If so, I'll withdraw the nomination which kind of does nothing given P199's delete vote but I'd at least see if we can move it to draftspace or somewhere where someone else can find it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:36, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If there is any possibility of it being worth looking at later, but it is mostly redundant, the best solution is to redirect. "Delete", with an option to "WP:REFUND" if an editor, who must rely on memory of the contents, is a bureaucratic inefficiency.  Asking anyone with any old interest in it to put aside their current activities to look at this or have it deleted in 7 days is a very rude thing to do to them, given that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the content staying accessible.  Relevant policy is WP:ATD.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:12, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect that there is enough for at least a stub, plus photo of each monument (the one in Cape Town and the one in Pretoria). If South Africa has a heritage organisation that lists and protects monuments, these might qualify. Also, the monuments were almost certainly erected to serve as a focus for remembrance and commemoration for those relatives unable to travel to France. If they were individually unveiled (again, almost certainly they were), then that would be additional information. The Pretoria one was unveiled by Sir Percy Fitzpatrick on 21 July 1929. Not found anything for the Cape Town one yet. What might be best here is to have short paragraphs in the existing articles with as much information as possible, and to see what it looks like then. Am happy to do that at some point, but redirecting this draft to Company's Garden seems best. It is interesting how different in appearance the two 'replicas' are. Found the Cape Town memorial details. The definitive source for Cape Town monuments is here: unveiled on 3 November 1930. I will try and pull all the details together at some point soon. Carcharoth (talk) 16:16, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 20:51, 10 August 2016 (UTC) </div


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