Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts/Robb Alvey

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was delete. I have carried out a history-merge so that the whole history of this article is now in Robb Alvey and whether it is kept can be decided at the AfD on that article. JohnCD (talk) 23:23, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Abandoned Drafts/Robb Alvey


Article is blatant self promotion, not of notability for wikipedia. It has been untouched for months and is blatant self promotion. This is a spam page. This requires real examination because the article does not meet notability requirements. Someone who works as a travel agent does not meet notability for Wiki. Creating for User:108.17.102.92 from rationale left on page as a potential AFD. GB fan 23:44, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep After creating the MFD for the IP I looked for references. This is a draft in progress.  There is no deadline to get it done.  After a quick search I found and added two sources that support information that shows notability more than just being a travel agent.  It still needs work but that is not a reason to delete the draft.  GB fan 00:57, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Remove Article smacks of self promotion. All sources are based off of his site. Anything cited is off of his site. Nothing is verifiable. Does not meet the standards of something that should be on Wikipedia. Article went to drafts and has not seen significant change in a year. — Julser1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 05:50, 16 December 2012‎ (UTC).
 * appears to be the same user as the IP that I created this MFD for. GB fan 13:17, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * @Julser1, did you look at the article before you posted here? I have added 6 references to the article that are not based on his site.  Much of the current draft article is verifiable to reliable sources.  GB fan 13:17, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Anything from outside his site is based upon his page. Julser 1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.17.102.92 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 16 December 2012‎
 * Can you show anything from some one else that agrees with you that the articles from the NY Times, NY Post, LA Times, Travel Channel, Wall Street Journal are based upon his page? GB fan 00:13, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * First off they are not articles, it is easy to put onto your site that you have "2 million views" or "1000 people signing up for your tours." How does this make you notable? The articles are going off of his word of mouth from his website, his word of mouth given out. This does not make him any different from the scores of other people trying to promote themselves that have been deleted in droves from Wiki and it does not lend the proper credibility towards the creation of a Wikipedia page. These mentions are in fluff stories and the details are not given the scrutiny of something in a real story. The facts are based upon his word of mouth and the stuff he posts on his website. Julser1
 * Keep There are clearly a number of news sources discussing the subject and reaching the standards of notability. That's why I saved it and moved it to the Wikiproject in the first place. Silver  seren C 08:09, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Remove Anything mentioned in these fluff stories is from his word of mouth and his website. No different than the droves of self promoters who have been deleted in mass numbers. Julser1
 * Being actively developed, and the subject has a claim to fame. I am very concerned, however, about BLP problems if repromoted, based on the previous MfD. If those presently working on its rescue choose not to move it to mainspace it should be deleted. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:NOT. The page was started on 17 October 2009‎. Three years is more than enough time for the User and then the WikiProject to have edited the page to a point where it can be included as an article in mainspace. WP:NOT is clear on this point: Users and WikiProjects may not host their own website, blog, wiki, or cloud at Wikipedia. Also, there is no basis for individuals to successively pass around what was deleted at Articles for deletion/Robb Alvey and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Rollercoaster2428/Robb Alvey as a way of get around consensus. As for the soruce material, WP:N is not a basis to justify maintaining pages in a WikiProject. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 06:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy Close I have improved the article and moved it into mainspace at Robb Alvey. This draft needs to remain as attribution for prior edits made to the article and should not be deleted for any reason. If any of the editors above still wish to pursue deletion of the article, they are free to open an AfD on the mainspace version. Silver  seren C 11:32, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

""Delete"" This is ridiculous. Upon my review of this article, it still does not meet notability, but then you move it into a page. Stop kicking the can down the road, the article still does not meet notability. Delete the article.
 * Then feel free to nominate it at WP:AFD. However, speedy deletion is not appropriate, since it doesn't meet any of the criteria. Silver  seren C 05:04, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

This is the second time you've attempted to bypass consensus for deletion on this article Silver, this is backhanded.


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