Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject California/List of California-related topics

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was keep and mark historical. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject California/List of California-related topics


stale, Wikiproject page version, of what is now Outline of California, and whose content is also now covered by Index of California-related articles. seems this was being developed here, then created, but no clean up done. --Relisted. Steel1943 (talk) 06:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC) Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC) 
 * Delete per nom. We don't need two of the same. Also, it's nice to see an MfD nomination that isn't a joke here on April Fool's Day. T  C  N7 JM  04:03, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Striking my vote. I'm no longer sure what I want to happen to this page. T  C  N7 JM  00:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Mark as historical or redirect somewhere: the page [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_California/List_of_California-related_topics&action=info contains 317 edits and was started over 10 years ago]. Graham''' 87 09:19, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge or Redirect to Index of California-related articles. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:31, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can see no mention of this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California.  MfD should not be used to externally micromanage WikiProject subpages.  It's use of lack of is for WikiProject members to state.  WikiProject subpages are not required to be non-redundant with other things.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and notified WikiProject California of this discussion. The nominator probably should have done so before nominating, come to think of it. T  C  N7 JM  00:08, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge & redirect to Index of California-related articles, content appears to be an older variant of what the index attempts to catalog; otherwise mark as historic.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:27, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment from nominator, sorry if i caused anyone any stress. I recognize why it should stay for historic reasons, even if out of date. i think it was linked to the project page, which im sure isnt necessary. i do not think it needs to be deleted or merged/redirected now.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Out of date and redundant is a good reason to delete. But I want to hear from the WikiProject. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and mark as historical. WikiProjects should control their own pages and we don't need to be micromanaging them. If they decide to have one of their own pages deleted, they can just ask an admin to do so. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 04:37, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: The current consensus seems divided between either "Mark as historical" or "Merge & redirect to Index of California-related articles."


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 06:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep and tag with the Historical template. This may be useful for people in the future. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I should point out that the nominator is heavily involved with the wikiproject in question, so the arguments that the wikiproject should decide are kind of moot. Besides, wikiprojects are not autonomous units of governance. Gigs (talk) 15:30, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WikiProjects are supposed to manage their own affairs and not be micromanaged from MfD. consensus from the WikiProject should be linked, especially for an unnecessary deletion of their history. If the nominator is speaking for the WikiProject, he should say so. Otherwise it looks like drive-by external micromanagement. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:16, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.