Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Islam


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  10:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Islam
This page being used in blatant violation of advertising and soliciting meatpuppets which states:
 * It is considered highly inappropriate or unacceptable to advertise Wikipedia articles that are being debated in order to attract users with known views and bias, in order to strengthen one side of a debate. It is also considered highly inappropriate to ask friends or family members to create accounts for the purpose of giving additional support. Advertising or soliciting meatpuppet activity is not an acceptable practice on Wikipedia. 

This page is clearly designed to rally members of the Wikipedia "Muslim guild" to game the page for deletion process by stacking votes. What occurs is that when a Muslim guild member nominates a page he wants deleted, he post the link the Vote for deletion page on this page so that other members of the Muslim guild and like minded editors can go there and vote in line with the nominating member of the guild. This is clearly a tactic used to game the vote for deletion process through sheer force of numbers. The page was created by banned user, whose track record is documented here and here. CltFn 04:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - there are plenty of other areas that do this. Why not nominate them as well? Why just Islam? Many national wikiprojects have their own section documenting deletions, I don't think it's fair to target just this one. – Chacor 04:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This page has been listed for deletion due to its primary use for vote stacking.--CltFn 05:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep. deletion sorting is entirely legitimate process. anyone may watch the page and help in its maintenance. allegations that it has led to votestacking are both baseless and ridiculous. User:CltFn has been prone to inventing unjustified (and sometimes paranoid) accusations, and false accusations of 'vote stacking' are not new. he has just recently also accused me of being a sockpuppet of the banned User:BhaiSaab. there is currently a RfC open about User:CltFn's questionable behaviour. the point of mentioning this is that not only does the claim possess no merit, it was also made in bad faith.  ITAQALLAH   05:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed, I strongly suspect Itaqallah of being a sockpuppet account banned user . Itaqallah's edit history of the page listed here for MFD is clearly suspicious as far I can see. Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Islam is clearly used for vote stacking and is used to strong arm the deletion process by force of numbers on the pages listed therein thus its nomination--CltFn 05:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. Nomination assumes that the only people who monitor Islam-related articles are inclusionists. There are multiple precedents. This is stupid. -Amarkov blahedits 05:30, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep almost every WikiProject has something like this. I manage a lot of it for the videogames project. Now, according to your logic, I only do this to get users to vote to keep these articles. Of course, I vote to delete for probably 95% of them, but who cares, there's a conspiracy afoot! Based on your comments in other AFDs, it seems to me that you think there is a pro-Islamic conspiracy on Wikipedia. There isn't. Get over it. Koweja 05:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually I elected this page for MFD because I observed it to be used for vote stacking, it is not an indictment on any other such pages. Ok so you have your views on the matter, thanks for weighing in.--CltFn 05:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Um... If the existence of this page is vote stacking, so are the rest. For only this one to be vote stacking, it would have to only allow people on one side to see it, or something. It's equally accesible to anyone. -Amarkov blahedits 05:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * sight' --Striver 06:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong delete, clearly designed to support bias on wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boris Johnson VC (talk • contribs)
 * Keep. Deletion sorting is a way of getting experts on a subject involved in the discussion like many other projects do. Any sort of vote stacking is still bannable for other reasons. - Mgm|(talk) 13:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep: WikiProject Deletion sorting allows deletion sorting of different topics, however I can understand some of the arguments of the original nominator. Although it appears to be vote stacking but even people on the other side of the fense also use these lists to be aware of the current deletions. --Matt57 14:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletions.  lol &mdash; coe l acan  t a lk  &mdash; 21:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a bit or a bad faith assumption in this nomination. seeing that the project doesn't actually encourage meatpuppetry. As far as the page is concerned, it's important to keep XfD categorized, therefor Keep -- Selmo  (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. First of all, as everyone else has said, lots of other "groups" do this - anime fans, Japan-lovers (and inhabitants), etc., all keep track of deletion debates relating to their area of interest.  So, if we're going to delete one such list, we're going to have to delete all the others, and I really don't think that's necessary.  In addition, XfDs are not votes.  Just because a bunch of people who support inclusion of all Islam-related articles show up to every single AFD and !vote "keep", does not by any means indicate that it will be kept.  Debates are decided based on the strength of the arguments given, as proven by the dozens of meatpuppet-ridden AFDs in which I have personally participated (as well as the hundreds or even thousands of debates in which others here have participated), most of which result in a "delete" decision based on strength of arguments.  So, to conclude, even if these folks were flooding Islam-related debates with one-line "keep" !votes (which they're not, although there are, of course, a few bad apples in every tree), it would not make a difference in outcome.  Srose   (talk)  02:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - no offense, but nominator CltFn, you may have misenterpreted WP:SOCK. In my opinion, the page is simply a list of Islam-related pages up for deletion; it is not trying to get people in with biased opinions. Cheers! Yuser31415 (Review me!) 21:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - Why not let people who know their subject help with deciding deletion?  bibliomaniac 1  5  01:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep There are also a number of people who tend to show up at Islam-related RfD's, and vote Delete. Per DGG 04:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment - This proposal to delete was just copied and pasted from a similar MfD.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.