Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men (2nd nomination)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. The consensus of the discussion is that lack of usage for this page justifies its deletion. RL0919 (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men
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I suggest the deletion of this page for the following reasons: I understand that the lack of usage for this page may well be a chicken-or-egg problem: few people use this page because few people sort articles onto it, or vice versa. However, the fact that no editor up until now has attempted to shift the balance for this page suggests that increased usage in the future is unlikely. feminist (talk) 10:41, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Lack of usage. Since this deletion sorting page was created, it has barely been populated with AfD nominations, as can be seen from its page history and archive. The lack of AfDs sorted here reflects a lack of editor interest in deletion discussions of articles specifically about men. This is also evident from this page's |Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Women page view statistics over the past 90 days, which show that this page is barely used by any editors. In contrast, WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women, the equivalent deletion sorting page for articles about women, ranks as one of the top 10 deletion sorting pages frequented by editors.
 * 2) Impracticality. The majority of AfD nominations of biographical articles are for men, which makes sense because an overwhelming majority of biographies on Wikipedia are about men. This means it can take significant editor effort to ensure all AfD nominations of men are promptly listed on this page. This obstacle may be less of an issue if enough editors are interested in men specifically, but I just don't see this now based on current usage.
 * 3) Redundancy. This page is redundant to the deletion sorting page for women. Because the vast majority of people identify as either male or female, it is generally sufficient for editors interested in AfD discussions about men to simply ignore women listed on the various deletion sorting pages for people. Initiatives like WP:WOMEN and WP:Women in Red suggest significant editor interest to focus on articles about women and women's issues, while the same cannot be said for men.
 * Delete. Per nom. There is no need for this deletion page which was probably made as a good faith counterpoint to the female equivalent, however, the relative usage only underlines the standalone rationale of WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women. Britishfinance (talk) 12:03, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Neutral - It appears that this list has been used maybe six times since it was created, and so approximately once a month. That means that it appears to be useless.  It was intended either to be useful or to make a point.  It isn't useful.  I fail to see any harm in keeping it.  It either will become useful, which is very unlikely, or it will continue to be ignored.  The deletion nomination, like the list itself, appears intended to make a point.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. True, "making a point" to MfD an item that is really only "making a point"? Still, I just can't see editors relisting male BLPs under this, and it will ultimately serve no purpose (except to "make a point", which I think it not meant to be what WP is for?). Britishfinance (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. And if it isn't useful, it doesn't matter why it was nominated. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:15, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep for equality with WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women. The temporary under-utilization of this seems to be only due to it failing to be included in deletion sorting scripts/tools like User:Enterprisey's User:Enterprisey/delsort. Clearly once that is resolved the Women and Men lists can then lead to deprecation of the less useful WikiProject Deletion sorting/People (which as it is right now is already redundant). Why list in both Women and People, when we can just use Women and Men?  We should either use a Women/Men split OR a single combined People list. -- Netoholic @ 01:33, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You do realize that User:Enterprisey/delsort has an "add custom" option, right? When I created WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women and initially populated it with AfD nominations, it was not yet included in the Delsort script. Guess what did I do? I used the "add custom" option to sort AfDs into the Women category. I fail to see how this would materially affect usage. feminist (talk) 04:49, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: the page was created to make a point and is not useful in practice. Arguments of "equality" are a false balance fallacy on an encyclopedia on which there is systemic bias which favours men already. — Bilorv ( talk ) 20:08, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – per nom. It's unused and unnecessary. – Levivich 05:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.