Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Massively multiplayer online games


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Selective merge to WikiProject_Video_games. The main page is being redirected, its talk page moved to a subpage / archive of the VG talk page. For the remaining subpages I don't have such a clear picture, so I trust in interested editors to go through them once more and either move them to the target project, or redirect them and or (in case of some with trivial edit history and little use) to mark them with Db-xfd referring to this MfD or drop me a list. Tikiwont (talk) 08:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Massively multiplayer online games
I am proposing a deletion of this WikiProject and all related subpages. This project has remained inactive for an extrodinary amount of time. The last actual project related edit was May 2007, and many parts of this project have been dissolved. More bureaucracy has been created than necessary for the scope of this project.

Speaking of scope, the project primarily focuses on a genre and as User:Gazimoff wisely mentioned on the talk page of this project (in which we were discussing the inactivity of the project) as games in general develop more online capabilities and the MMO genre becomes increasingly popular, the overlap between this project and WikiProject Video Games becomes larger. The project is not really suitible for a taskforce under WP:VG either, because as I said before it is based around a genre of which it's scope is a wildcard and could encompass any possible number of articles. The distinction becomes blurred.

I also propose that the taskforces of this project are also deleted for similar concerns of inactivity and lack of participation. Any that has a consensus against deletion should be incorporated into WikiProject Video games.  .: Alex  :.  16:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions.  .: Alex  :.  16:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - May I propose we don't do some kind of vote but instead ask User:Greeves? User:Krator (t c) 18:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and tag as inactive We normally just tag inactive projects with inactive and keep them for their histories. -- Ned Scott 06:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - That is normally what we do. Atm, that is how it currently exists; however, we're moving to clean up the Video-game related Wikiprojects and deleting or redirecting the ones which are truly inactive is (we feel) better for the health of the project, as it centralizes both discussion and style guidelines. It also makes VG easier to maintain. --Izno (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Then redirect them. Deleting the pages removes editor contribution history, which includes discussion and a record of what they did at the time. -- Ned Scott 06:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect to WP:VG, following the work at Inactive Project Cleanup. This project did achieve some good work, but in order to preserve history and promote easy navigation for new editors, it should be redirected to the parent project. Gazimoff Write Read 08:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Question But what about the subpages, would we redirect all of them as well? That is my main concern, not so much the index page for the project, but all of it's subpages. -- .: Alex  :.  09:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Last time we had a Project with many subpages (Warcraft), we deleted the subpages and redirected the project's page to its new task force page, which is how I support dealing with this one. My only qualm is that the task force of MU*, which claims to still be active. I've left a note on their talk page, and plan to do the same on the other task force pages. --Izno (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 *  Keep Redirect But I'll withdraw my opposition to TF'ing it if the MUD TF is moved intact to be a TF of VG as well--it fits there just as well as under MMO. Yes, MUD TF is active, although at a rather low level. Jclemens (talk) 16:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy with moving the MUD TF to WP:VG - it promotes centralised discussion, which is what this project cleanup is all about. Gazimoff Write Read 16:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I also agree with incorporating the MUD TF within WP:VG. -- .: Alex  :.  16:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine by me, then. Jclemens (talk) 16:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep and tag as inactive - I have become inactive in this project and although not all the task forces need to be kept as some of them were never active in the first place, the project as a whole should stay. Greeves (talk • contribs) 22:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect main and main talk pages to WP:VG and WT:VG, move TF MU* to a subpage of WP:VG, and delete everything else. What purpose does the project as a whole serve except to decentralize discussion for video game editors? Obviously, the editor will see the "inactive sign", but then the editor needs to figure out where to go from there. Further, I don't see it useful as a Video game task force, since it has such a large scope. Everything from Counter-Strike to World of Warcraft to the original MUDs to (even) various RTS games... It is difficult to separate the difference between "MMO" and "video game" these days. --Izno (talk) 22:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect: Like the Dragon Quest project, this project has been largely inactive. Though the scope is sufficient to be a project, the lack of activity and improvement in related articles makes me think this would be better served as smaller task forces under the VG project. Such task forces could pull resources from the VG project as well as recruit interested members. Regarding the task forces currently under this project, I'd say the only one that should be carried over is MU*. The Neopets and Runescape have been inactive for a long time and the Neopets did not accumulate any noteworthy history. If history must be preserved, then redirect them both to WP:VG. But I think at the very least Neopets can be deleted with no problems. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC))
 * Redirect: Inactive project. Redirect to preserve the history, and encourage a better consensus at the main WP:VG wikiproject. Randomran (talk) 14:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.