Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Record Charts/ToDo

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Kept - people seem to find it useful as a historical record. I'm kinda on the fence about whether I should redirect it or not, so I won't, but if you're reading this, feel free to go ahead. Wily D 10:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Record Charts/ToDo


Inactive activity list for a relativley inactive project. No one uses it, sorely out of date and incomplete, I'm the only one who has updated it for the past 2+ years, these pages and others are having no problem being updated regularly, and Category:2013 record charts/Category:2010s record charts are probably better locations for looking to find one's favorite music chart. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Klein zach  05:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to WikiProject Record Charts and redirect WikiProject Record Charts to WikiProject Discographies due to its near-zero activity and overlapped area of interest. There may be interest in reviving or alternative use of the material.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Joe. I know you are a big fan of redirecting just about everything, but in this case what exactly is the logic behind connecting the WikiProject Record Charts to WikiProject Discographies? Isn't it like connecting WikiProject Postage Stamps to WikiProject Bus Passes?  Klein zach  15:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Because the second WikiProject envelops the first, in terms of tagged articles of interest. Firstly, it is counter productive to delete isolated pages from an inactive WikiProject. The ToDo list is inactive just as is the whole WikiProject.  Inactive WikiProjects can be revived, or used elsewhere, and if this happens then the ToDo list is as significant as the rest. To clean up, so as to not confuse browsing editors who don’t know how to recognise inactive WikiProjects, we could tag as inactive.  We could tag every subpage, or just tag the top one and redirect all others to it.  The redirected subpages are easily found using the “What links here” tool. In this case, as with many, there are overlapping WikiProjects.  When browsing the talk pages of the articles of interest to this inactive WikiProject, I notice that the pages are largely also tagged by Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies, which appears to be an active WikiProject.  It follows that if someone is interested to cooperative work on the pages targeted by Wikipedia:WikiProject Record Charts, then they have a very good chance of finding similar editors at  Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies.  I think they are better off looking for collaboration there than in resurrecting the inactive WikiProject, and so redirection is better than tagging inactive. Why you would think the overlap between “Record Charts” and “Discographies” is as small as the overlap between “Postage Stamps” and “Bus Passes” I don’t get, and I guess you are being facetious.  To discover the evidence of overlap, go to the talk pages of directly related articles and look at the WikiProject tagging.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:30, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I provided an analogy to illustrate the question I was asking. The degree of dissimilarity was not supposed to be identical. Let's get to the point, instead of using discussion-unfriendly words like "facetious". Aren't the connections between the two projects just coincidental? Saying "the second WikiProject envelops the first" sounds fine but what does it actually mean? As we know WikiProject Discographies is about the compilation of useful information, while WikiProject Record Charts is about popularity and sales. IMO redirects should always be based on logical connections, otherwise the user will be confused and irritated by being sent to apparently unrelated pages. -- Klein zach  01:51, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The intentions of the creator of the inactive WikiProject co-incidentally covered a subset of articles of another WikiProject. But the intentions of the creator are less interesting because that editor has walked away.  Of greater interest are new editors looking for WikiProject collaboration, and it is reasonable to expect that those new editors will arrive via articles, and if so, it is difficult to assume the direction of their interests.  It is, however, a fact that the articles they are interested in are of interest to an active WikiProject.  It is therefore sensible to point them to that WikiProject in the first instance. I see a logical connection between Discographies and Record Charts, particularly in that both subjects will navigate a reader to the same material, albeit by different routes.  If you think they are unrelated, then you should oppose redirection on that basis, and to my preference support tagging with inactive. Whether tagged inactive or redirected (whether soft or hard), it should be applied to the whole WikiProject, not just to the ToDo page.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:35, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Has anyone at any point notify the project or its members of this? Or is it a case of a project members asking for deletion?Moxy (talk) 03:44, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think we've previously found it unrewarding to ask an inactive WikiProject for its opinion. TPH previously sought deletion of the whole WikiProject at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Record Charts.  Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Record Charts wasn't notified that time either.  I have modified the MfD nomination guidelines here.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:41, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh I see that was not clear to me at all - as there was no indication on the project page(s) it was inactive. Should have looked at the edit history I guess before commenting - (we should tag it). Will let other decide on the pages outcome.Moxy (talk) 05:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * delete, old, not current, and unused. Frietjes (talk) 23:44, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to WikiProject Record Charts, no reason to make the page history inaccessible to non-admins. Graham 87 04:21, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep I marked it as historical, is there any reason to delete it? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * What historical purpose does it serve? I've updated it twice in two years just to reflect the current year or else it would still be this. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Items have been [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Record_Charts/ToDo&diff=268850108&oldid=268847409 added to] and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Record_Charts/ToDo&diff=270372670&oldid=270372535 removed from] the page], and people may want to check its history. We can't presume to know which page history future Wikipedia users may find useful, so IMO we should keep any page in the Wikipedia namespace that has been at least nominally useful at some point, all otherthings being equal. Graham 87 09:04, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
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