Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/What a Tropical Cyclone Is Not

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Speedy deleted by  per WP:CSD (author requested deletion). --RL0919 (talk) 22:55, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Tropical cyclones/What a Tropical Cyclone Is Not


Unnecessary joke page - seems like a clear case of WP:NOT. Part of a pattern of joke pages from this editor. MikeWazowski (talk) 17:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * not a joke page. This is advice to TC page editors/creators.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright  Chat Me Up 17:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - If this is meant to be serious, some amount of consensus would have been a good thing before creating it. Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 17:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Extreme Keep - per WP:BOLD it is allowed to create pages without consensus "Just do it", and this is advice, not policy.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker Keeping the skies bright  Chat Me Up 17:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC) Project doesn't want, so I'm EVI'ing.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  Keeping skies bright  Chat Me Up 01:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep unless the project says that they don't want it. It doesn't look like the purpose of the page is entirely humourous and it is for the project to decide what pages they do and do not want. Hut 8.5 17:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC) change to Delete since the project evidently doesn't want it. Hut 8.5 10:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think the project even knew it existed - I've now notified them of this discussion, tho. MikeWazowski (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - WPTC project member - Do we really need this? Some of the facts he has put down are wrong, eg: There will never be another TC named Katrina or Wilma after the Atlantic versions of 2005 as there was another Wilma earlier this year. There is a lot of stuff there that we do not need written down as it is common sense eg "A tropical cyclone is not a blizzard".Jason Rees (talk) 19:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - As another project member, there isn't anything necessary, useful, or even important about this page. <font color="Blue">Darren 23 Edits 20:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as a project member. I'm a little embarrassed to have that up here. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as a project member. And delete all of the redirects and page creations for each of the individual what a TC is not. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:18, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm not going to go against my fellow hurricaniphiles. If you guys want it gone, absolutely then so be it. I just wasn't gonna give it in to Wazowski, who is not a project member, hurricaniphile, or correct about the page's nature. Although I didn't say anything about wilma... But anyway, if the general in-project consensus develops to delete it, I support that 100%. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping the skies bright  Chat Me Up 00:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And in one of life's great ironies, Bowser423 isn't a member of the hurricane wikiproject either... I do believe I was correct about the nature of the page under discussion, tho. MikeWazowski (talk) 00:25, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I am and no you weren't. This was never a joke page. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping the skies bright  Chat Me Up 00:51, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude, you do realize that all edits are time-stamped, don't you? You went and added yourself to the member list about 25 minutes after I posted that you weren't listed there. Nice try. MikeWazowski (talk) 00:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have had the userbox for days I just forgot to list myself. check the timestamp on the userbox. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping the skies bright  Chat Me Up 01:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea you didnt say anything about Wilma but you did say about Katrina so i chose to use Wilma as a decent example of what i was rattling on about.Jason Rees (talk) 00:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, personal vendettas have no place on WP, and "hurricaniphile" is a wholly inappropriate term in addition. But I also move to delete this page as largely inaccurate and entirely useless for our purposes (nothing personal, of course). Juliancolton (talk) 00:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What do you have against "hurricaniphile"? It's not derogatory. it literally means one who love hurricanes. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping the skies bright  Chat Me Up 00:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete While boldness is good, there has to be a community benefit for pages to exist in the Wikipedia namespace (or in other namespaces, for that matter). We are here to build the encyclopedia, not to create unclear essays. Johnuniq (talk) 00:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Of very, very limited use. I'm not one of the "guys" (apparently the hurricane folk are guys), mind you, but it seems they have spoken clearly. And there are dozens of redirects attached to this page. All this is taking up too much server space. Drmies (talk) 00:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Snowball delete per above. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 00:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete, the page is completely useless. Additionally, the creator of the page has created a plethora of completely useless redirects pointing to this page, which is becoming rather disruptive. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 01:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Even though the page has been userfied, that does not mean that it is still appropriate for Wikipedia, since Wikipedia is not your webhost. My delete position stands. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 01:06, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Dude, that's a whole nother MfD. this one is over. I have thrown in the towel here. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping skies bright  Chat Me Up 01:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No. You don't get to reset the timer just by moving (or in this case, copy-pasting) the page. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 01:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Notice what the title of this discussion is. It is not the same as the title of the EVI'd page. Therefore, this is not the place to discuss it. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping skies bright  Chat Me Up 01:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually this is the place to discuss it since it is mostly the same content that you have just C&Pd in to Userspace.Jason Rees (talk) 01:35, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Which is irrelevant, since the page in your userspace can be speedy deleted as a recreation of validly deleted content unless there is consensus to userfy or allow the page to stay in your user space—and I personally don't think that page should stay, even in your userspace. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 01:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * G4 does not apply to content for which the reason for deletion has become N/A. The project does not want it, so it is no longer with the project. Therefore G4 does not/can not apply. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping skies bright  Chat Me Up 01:42, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason for deletion is not voided by putting the page in your user space, since the deletion rationale is that the material in it is inappropriate for Wikipedia, not whether WPTC wants it in its project space. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 01:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete page; delete redirects, and block editor for competence reasons if it gets to that. This is just stupid. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 02:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That sure looked like a WP:PERSONAL attack, passerby. We are here to discuss the issue of the article, not me. You disagreeing with my page does not make me incompetent nor stupid. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping the skies bright  Chat Me Up 13:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And it actually says in that essay that giving it to a questioned user to read is uncivil. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping the skies bright  Chat Me Up 14:15, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - Bring it to the Hurricane Wiki, keep it off of Wikipedia. If you want to know what a Tropical Cyclone is read the article. - <font style="color:#007474">Marcusmax ( speak ) 17:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Just delete period - This is an eyesore. No one but the editor who made it has an interest in it. Plus it has absolutely no encyclopedic value. As for the user in question, accusing people of personal attacks with absolutely no evidence is rather incivil. Strange Passerby didn't accuse you of stupidity. You've implied it that way, but Strange Passerby did not outright call you stupid. <FONT FACE="Helvetica" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch</FONT>32(Can someone turn on the damn air conditioning?) 18:22, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Snowball delete - per nom and feedback from members of the related WikiProject. Note: this type of content may be more suitable at http://hurricanes.wikia.com or http://weather.wikia.com instead of Wikipedia (not saying it is more suitable, just that it may be more suitable - depends on the comunity at those Wikis on how they would receive the content). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Snowball delete - per everyone. As I've apparently been told, these things should start in my userspace... So Imma just issue an EVI for this. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping skies bright  Chat Me Up 00:51, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure myself and most other members of WPTC and of the encyclopedia itself are trying to WP:AGF in this instance. Creating "evacuation" templates, typing in larger font sizes, and creating pages about how not to do something are not helping your cause. If you are serious about weather, then go to one of the projects and find something to work on. On Wikipedia there is always something that needs to be done. - <font style="color:#007474">Marcusmax ( speak ) 02:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Then please just move it to your userspace so we can begin to delete all of the redirects to the various page sections. Inks.LWC (talk) 04:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I DID. Go ahead. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping skies bright  Chat Me Up 13:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Objection to userfying - Why should this exist period, Wikipedia namespace or Userspace? This has no encyclopedic value and considering the editor in question here seems to be getting less civil, writing in disruptive text (which really should be removed by an uninvolved admin). This is a joke page. I am a fan of WP:BJAODN, but this should be somewhere like that, not in userspace. It has no value and why this is still open is beyond me.<FONT FACE="Helvetica" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch</FONT>32(Can someone turn on the damn air conditioning?) 21:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If I'm serious, it's not a joke page I am serious, so it is not a joke page. It is a serious attempt at advice. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping skies bright  Chat Me Up 16:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a very large dose of IDIDNTHEARTHAT here. Wikipedia is not a personal website where people store stuff that interests them. Everything (whether user space or not) is supposed to help the encyclopedia. Just consider all of the time from independent editors that is being wasted in this outbreak of nonsense—that alone should cause any collaborative editor to immediately desist and to ask for all their inappropriate pages to be removed. Johnuniq (talk) 00:32, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete anyway. Moving it to userspace is just sweeping it under the rug and pretending it doesn't exist. If we don't want it, we don't want it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 00:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Listen, guys, there are some important things here which are often misconceived. Not a Coastal Storm, Not a tornado, Not a tsunami, Not a Nor'Easter, Not Always Tropical, Not a Point, and Does Not Turn This, That, or the Other Way are all common myths and misconceptions which put people's lives in danger all the time. This is a guide to all of the misconceptions which are not true. It isn't a joke, It isn't nonsense, It isn't wrong, It isn't inappropriate, It is the difference between life and death. I am sorry if one or two users thought it was a joke, I am sorry if the tone mad too much light of the subject, but it is about discrediting misconceptions. You guys, having an interest in WPTC, can understand those issues, right? Everybody in the field has run into one of those internet idiots who thinks that landfall is required for damage; or that severe damage is limited to the coast; or that the storms all go this way or that and miss them; or that living in New York City somehow makes them safe. Those people have a dangerous misguided complacency which is as life threatening as the storm itself. A few of the other ones are just advice for article writers, but the list I have given here (also on the page in question) is life and death information. Saving the life of a well-informed person is easy. Saving the life of an ignorant one is not. If ignorant, TC-uneducated lives mean anything to this project, then this is not inappropriate. If those people mean anything to this project, then just leave it be in my userspace. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping skies bright  Chat Me Up 01:50, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have never heard someone mistake a tropical cyclone for a tsunami or Nor'Easter. And I've never met someone who think they just reverse course in the opposite direction.  Who exactly are you planning on saving?  There's plenty of information on the page Hurricane as well as resources such as the National Hurricane Center that do this.  No offense, but I doubt anybody is going to link to your "evacuated" page as a guide to understanding tropical systems. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "Is Not a Tsunami" is about people who think that the storm surge is the only thing which can completely destroy a house, and is the opposite of "Is Not a Tornado". "Is Not a Nor'Easter" is about the difference between "landfall" and "direct hit" and even "indirect hit" and how any of the above can be very severe. "Does Not Turn This, That, or the Other Way" is about all of the people in places like Savannah, GA; Pensacola, FL; Washington, DC; and (formerly) New Orleans, LA who have had dangerous urban myths, logical fallacies, and complacency sown in by a few years without a TC strike. And, frankly, the I've had to rm that they form "almost exclusively in the tropical regions", which supports the idea that a TC is always tropical, to replace it with "often in the tropical regions". The TC article is very good, but it does not have what it needs for this, a misconceptions section and a full sweep for removing misconceptions. As for who's gonna see it, I don't know, but the same is true of any user-essay. The point is it is not inappropriate nor a joke. It is really about discrediting all of those misconceptions. <font color="red" style="background:black"> --Bowser the Storm Tracker <font color="black" style="background:cyan;">Keeping skies bright  Chat Me Up 13:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No offense, but who is actually going to look this up and read your information about what a tropical cyclone is not. It was so hidden that WPTC members actually had no idea it existed in our project space until someone from outside the project notified us. So how would the "uneducated mind" ever find such an obscure page. Wikipedia is not your blog, if you wish to write on this topic bring it to a different site. - <font style="color:#007474">Marcusmax ( speak ) 13:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * May I also point out that Wikipedia is not a "Personal essay", a "Personal web page", an "Instruction manuel" (you're saying what a tropical cyclone is not, that borders instructions), or an "Internet guide" (see previous). ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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