Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia Reform (2nd nomination)




 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  no consensus for deletion. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 20:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikipedia Reform

 * Delete per WP:G5: Page has been created by a sockpuppet of a banned user in violation of his ban; page has no substantial edits by other users. Page has been created on 12 March 2008 by Obuibo Mbstpo, a sockpuppet of Sarsaparilla, although Sarsaparilla is already banned since 24 February 2008. Cordyceps2009 (talk) 14:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep though this project was created by a banned user it does have other members. Since the project has only one member who is actively editing (of the others, one is permanently banned, one is temporarily banned, one has left and one hasn't edited in over a year) it might be worth tagging the project as inactive or historical. Hut 8.5 14:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. No strong feelings either way, but the page really is for a totally defunct project that never accomplished anything.  Of the five listed project members, four do not represent, shall we say, the best traditions of Wikipedia.  (The creator is a banned sockpuppeteer.  One member is a banned pagemove vandal.  One member is currently serving an ArbCom ban for disruptive editing.  One member narrowly dodged a community ban and is now permanently retired.)  Oddly enough, the first attempt to MfD this page was closed prematurely, as the project creator posted the deletion nomination using one of his socks: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia Reform.  If it's going to keep coming up on MfD, then we might as well delete it to save time.  There were no contributions (beyond sigs in the 'Members' section) by any editors except the page creator; nothing worthwhile will be lost. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a pagemove vandal – it was a renamed user whose old name was registered by a vandal (although the renamed user hasn't edited since June 2008). snigbrook (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, tag as inactive. There are other members, also the the user appears to have been banned five days after creating the page, so it isn't suitable for CSD G5. snigbrook (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * CSD G5 says: "pages created by banned users in violation of their ban having no substantial edits by others." The only way how a banned user can create a page is through a sockpuppet or as an anonymous editor. This page has been created on 12 March 2008 by Sarsaparilla (who is banned since 24 February 2008) through his sockpuppet Obuibo Mbstpo (which is blocked since 17 March 2008). So CSD G5 applies perfectly. Cordyceps2009 (talk) 17:27, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sarsaparilla was blocked on 24 February 2008, and the banned tag was added to their userpage on 25 March, more than a week after the page in question was created. There is a difference between a block and a ban. In addition I think joining a Wikiproject is a significant change. Hut 8.5 17:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's some kind of weird logic. A block is an implicit ban from all editing on Wikipedia.  The idea that a blocked user is free to use sockpuppets until they are explicitly banned is just insane. Gigs (talk) 14:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - inactive Wikiproject (mostly populated by banned users), never actually did anything, and not of any use in the foreseeable future. Regardless of whether WP:G5 applies here, I don't see any use in keeping this project. If it is kept, it should be tagged as inactive. Robofish (talk) 23:36, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless some other user wants to take responsibility for this as their own. Gigs (talk) 14:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.