Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedial Senate.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the discussion was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 20:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikipedial Senate.
This is a bad idea. It's also suspiciously similar to another project that was deleted that was called the "Wikian Empire." Beeblebrox (talk) 19:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I disagree with the esteemed ex-Galactic President here. I think that having such a group would probably be a good idea. This proposal, however, is at best a very weak way to try to achieve that goal. John Carter (talk) 19:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is the MfD of the previous similar project: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikian Empire. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The basic model for crafting policy is to gather consensus by involving as many editors as possible, and this project is contrary to that basic principle. Also, the user creating it just signed up today and has declared " I am the leader of the project". Beeblebrox (talk) 20:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, the project as it exists deserves to disappear almost as quickly as the "leader" appeared. But there have been a few proposals that we try to find some sort of legislature (spitting after saying that) to try to active involve themselves in updating policies and guidelines and bringing the proposals before the editors in general. There does seem to several people to be grounds for thinking that such active involvement in changing policy and guidelines would probably be a good thing. But this proposal doesn't even come close to the standards those earlier proposals achieved. I wish I could find grounds for Speedy deletion in this case, though, I just can't. John Carter (talk) 20:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, though, this type of added bureaucracy (Zetawoof's description of this project as a "lobbyist group" is spot-on) is neither necessary nor likely to result in positive outcomes. Do not userfy because this MfD is an adequate record of the "bad idea". –Black Falcon (Talk) 17:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - this project should not have started, as it does not have the minimum number of startup members. This projects creator is also behaving nothing like a brand new user and is most probably a sockpuppet themselves. The creator has not engaged in any policy discusstion themselves, so it sounds to me they would not be interested. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - We don't need WikiLobbyists, which is exactly what this idea proposes. Looks a power structure to me. Regards,  Jd 027  (talk) 00:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, Salt, and break up the roads leading there. What a colossally bad idea. A self-appointed set of rule-givers and police? WTF? Burn this nonsense. More bureacracy is NOT what's needed here. ThuranX (talk) 04:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Bureaucracy delenda est, and a lobbyist group is about the last thing we need. The fact that the founder has zero policy experience is just icing on the cake. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 10:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Userfy and let the person have his fun -- I see no reason to get into too big a snit on this at all. Collect (talk) 11:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, per all above. Stifle (talk) 12:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, userfy, tag as {tl|failed}. We don't delete bad ideas, we learn from them, even if to just not repeat them. Deletion of such bad ideas can look like censorship.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Village pump (policy), which is the appropriate forum for issues intended to be covered by this page. Do not userfy as per Black Falcon below, and because the proposal has no hope of development, it is a bad idea and is redundant with the Village pump (policy).  The author can write a userspace essay to support his idea if he wishes.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete because Wikipedia already has a working mechanism to handle real or perceived problems in policies and guidelines: someone points out a problem, others join in with comments, and several hundred KBs of discussion later no one even remembers what the problem was. It's a beautiful system! :)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.