Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Siena College/Traditional Chinese Medicine (Fall 2022)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  Procedural close. While the concerns editors raised here appear valid and should be investigated further, MfD is not the appropriate venue and will not result in any change. A discussion has already been opened at the Education noticeboard where this can be discussed further. signed,Rosguill talk 03:45, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Siena College/Traditional Chinese Medicine (Fall 2022)

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This course explicitly violates WP:MEDRS and WP:FRINGE per the commentary on the instructor's own page: User talk:Sdeyrup. I think that this is a violation of WP:PROFRINGE and WP:ADVOCACY. The easiest thing may be to ask them to work at a different website where this kind of POV-pushing is tolerated. jps (talk) 00:59, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: I was willing to give this program the benefit of the doubt, but it's clear that it's fundamentally at odds with WP:MEDRS. However, I don't know if this just requires deletion or if there's a separate process for inappropriate Wiki Ed programs (or if there's even a precedent for this). I think the people at Wiki Ed should weigh on on this, and I see that User:Ian (Wiki Ed) has already been contacted. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:13, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a case where the community needs to push back against bad editing instigated by WikiEd's program. This class's recalcitrant professor should not be sending students to wiki in this manner and I have no faith in WikiEd to correct their error. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 02:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think it is best if we hear from the WikiEdu coordinators first. TCM is a tricky topic because of how mainstream it is, such that a legitimate and reputable university such as this is teaching a course on from a non-critical perspective (I mean shit look at the Johns Hopkins entry on acupuncture). I agree that it is highly inappropriate for Wikipedia, and if there isn't a sufficient response from the WikiEdu people, then delete. Curbon7 (talk) 03:27, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Um, MfD doesn't do anything here. It's unlikely anyone connected to the class would even notice if Ian weren't pinged above. The on-wiki course page is just an automatically generated copy of what's on the Wiki Ed Dashboard. It only exists for transparency purposes, but isn't actually used by students/professors, and deleting it certainly doesn't stop the class (?). If there's a problem with the class, bring it up on WP:ENB (I'm fairly sure Wiki Ed doesn't want fringe POV pushing, either) and deal with problematic edits as you would any other editor. PS: if it's deleted, a bot will recreate it (if memory serves) whenever the next time someone updates the course page (and if protected, again, it doesn't accomplish anything). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 03:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * An admin can surely prevent the bot from recreating by salting. I didn't start this MfD lightly. I think this is a fundamental failure of what the ideal model is intended to be and we should probably establish a precedent for when things go off the rails like this. There is no "stop button" I can see that I can push other than to say, "let's try to get rid of this". The final class is happening tomorrow and students are doing last-minute content additions to pages in kinda the worst possible fashion. It's a real headache and while I wish it had been dealt with prior to this, there doesn't seem to be any recourse and I would like to see this shut down. jps (talk) 03:50, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.