Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/B Money

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Delete - if at some point in the future any sources exist, contact anyone in Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles to restore it. MTV source does not, as noted, even mention B Money. Wily D 07:15, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/B Money


AfC article for 6 months with no significant improvement, repeatedly declined as not notable, no reliable sources, discography shows release dates of 2013/TBA (WP:TOOSOON). Recommend deletion. GregJackP  Boomer!   01:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose we don't delete AFC articles for that sort of reason. 2013 will come around, and then we may have something notable. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:49, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I can think of three AfCs that have been MfD'd in just the last few months for that reason.  GregJackP   Boomer!   22:36, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Propose rename - this article can be renamed to Bang Bang Baltimore Money, with links to the new name on the current article, incase further work is done on it. The name "B-Money" has no notable sources supplied in the article and is a flagrant attempt to cash in on the fame of the excellent Rap artist P-Money.  Hence the rename for any further work on the article to avoid confusion with P-Money. Geoffjw1978 TL C 08:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This is the real B Money, all the information is true, I can vouch for that myself, not to mention, I never heard of P Money until I read this, you're just trying to advertise "P-Money" because your a male groupie. And on top of the that, the Def Jam staff knows me on a first name basis, one of my singles ins on MTV, the link is right there, plain as day, and in conclusion, my tour dates are on http://www.bandsintown.com/bmoney ; I'm on tour for a couple million, there are pictures and flyers all over the internet, GregJackP just didn't do his research.  My Wikipedia's standards, MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are credible sources, because you all use it as references for your other articles; GregJackP is obviously a rookie and doesn't even know the standards of Wikipedia; he's just upset his articles aren't getting published; since when is MTV not a notable reference?  Not to mention, the dates and titled are to be announced, which is on other Wikipedia articles.  Everything used on this article was used from other articles, so you know it is part of Wikipedia's standards, not just something someone just made up; not only that, it's not always me on those accounts with my names on it, I have a team (FEGM), so it's not like I'm just talking about myself; even if I was, that's an interview and a autobiography, which is still admissible for Wikipedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.78.200 (talk)


 * Facebook, Twitter and the like aren't being used as sources in most articles. If they are, then that should be removed. Just because another Wikipedia article does the same, doesn't mean this article should — "What about X" doesn't hold water. Also, the MTV link is nothing but a blank placeholder for a different artist called Zaytoven. It literally says nothing but "Zaytoven Bio". Finally, calling another user a "rookie" is patently false when said user has been here over 2 years. Please read the notability guidelines for music. Once an artist has a charted single or reliable reviews (Allmusic, Rolling Stone, etc.), then they're very likely to be notable by our standards. So far, this seems like a case of WP:TOOSOON — the artist may be notable in the future, but we don't work in "may be"s. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:53, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks TPH, I was debating whether I should respond or not. B Money, if you can get reliable sources, I would be happy to withdraw this nomination, but I couldn't find any when I looked prior to starting the MfD process.  You may want to look at your first article, it is designed to help new users.  Good luck.   GregJackP   Boomer!   22:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This is the real B Money, since when is MTV not a reliable source? My management and marketing are working on publication as we speak, y'all are getting the word straight from the horses mouth!  And it says it clear as day in the article, the rookie who submitted the deletion just didn't read/do his research/investigate.  It's listed in his biography because he's the one that produced it, and it was mentioned in his article on MTV, it's clear you just didn't read the entire article, you just read the title, because if you did, you would have seen it listed clear as day in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.78.200 (talk)
 * This is the real B Money, "Also, by Wikipedia's standards, self-published and/or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, as long as: 1. the material is neither unduly, self serving, nor an 'exceptional claim'", and there is no "reasonable doubt to its authenticity"; These requirements also apply to the social networking sites"; that is directly from Wikipedia's Identifying Reliable Sources; I know the rules, I've been on Wikipedia for years, around the time it first became a notable source of information. That, and everything else said adheres to Wikipedia's code;

If you feel it's an "exceptional claim", please take it out of the article, don't delete the entire article, that's like making the claim that I'm not even a human being; the label requires me to have publications. For God sakes it's a publication ABOUT ME, how are you going to say it isn't true?
 * OK, let's go through this one point at a time, slowly, so you can keep up.
 * There are no GNews hits for "B Money" that come up linked to you, unless you're a college DJ in Colorado or a guy named Brian Hughes.
 * There are no GBooks hits, nor GScholar hits either.
 * There are plenty of GHits, but they are all social media or otherwise not reliable sources that are verifiable and that are independent of the subject. By the way, if you take your mouse and click on the blue links, it will show you what the policy actually states.
 * If you are in fact B Money, you should not be creating, editing, or be otherwise involved in an article about you - see the policies on conflict of interest and autobiographies.
 * From the comment on management and marketing, it seems you have the idea that Wikipedia can be used for promotion - it cannot, as it is against policy.
 * Self-sources also notes that the article cannot be based primarily off of such sources.
 * Wikipedia also has a policy against personal attacks. I did not respond the first time, and you obviously do not know how to check, so I will let you know about my "rookie" editing history.  I have written a featured article and numerous good articles on Wikipedia.  I am one of only 151 editors to earn the WP:FOUR award for taking an article from creation to featured.  I have over 12,000 edits and have been an active editor since 2010.
 * Both myself and other editors have tried to give you good advice on how to shape up the AfC draft so that it can become an article (which it is not at this time), I would advise you to heed it. It matters not to us if the article ends up being deleted, but we will try to help, so long as you want the help.  If not, it is no skin off of our back.
 * Regards, GregJackP   Boomer!   00:25, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Just leave it as an article for creation, next time there's publication with the real "B Money" in it, it will be added to the article; thank you. B Money has no involvement with the article nor is he writing a Wikipedia article about himself.
 * Delete - The topic fails WP:GNG and that has been noted by Articles for creation on several occasions. IPs continue to hide that information. This page is not reasonable content under development. Instead, it is a problem page that will not reach a point where it can be included as an article. The page should be deleted. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep for now, semi-protect if necessary, and reevaluate in 2013. According to the article, the subject is signed to The Island Def Jam Music Group. After his album is released in 2013, the community will be at a better position to judge whether the subject has attained notability per Notability and Notability (music). The page should be semi-protected if necessary to avoid disruption by IPs. No prejudice to renomination in 2013 after the album has been released if notability has not been established. Cunard (talk) 01:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.