Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template (2nd nomination)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was   No Consensus - roughly equal head count, and "This is not useful as an archive" is a hard argument to push against "I find this useful as an archive". Wily D 11:13, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template
MfDs for this article: 

To quote my last MFD: "What the heck do we need this for? It's not linked from anywhere. It's a copy of the old spoiler template deleted ages ago." There is no reason to archive this whatsoever. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:29, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep but remove everything but the historical again. No need to delete history. As far as being linked, it could be usefully referenced from Spoiler. Anomie⚔ 22:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete No utility whatsoever. We simply don't need to archive other peoples very old reverts to some old template. jni (delete)...just not interested 12:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find anything in the history.  WP:CSD#G8 might apply. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The page was deleted in April 2013 under WP:CSD, but undeleted by, who wrote "G8 'excludes any page that is useful to Wikipedia', such as this which is an archive of the old deleted template for historical reference. Also, it already was not deleted at MfD, which again makes it ineligible for speedy deletion." (See the page's logs for the deletion and undeletion.) Cunard (talk) 10:18, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep but remove everything but the historical again per . I endorse Anomie's comment at the previous MfD in May 2012: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template: "The only reason this is kept at all is for the history of the template, to illustrate the evolution of the template along with the evolution of the community's attitude towards spoiler warnings." The [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Spoiler/old_template&offset=&limit=500&action=history page history] dates back to spoiler's creation on [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Spoiler/old_template&oldid=4106552 6 December 2003]. spoiler was a divisive template; see its discussion history:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 4 – closed as Speedy keep per WP:SNOWTemplates for deletion/Log/2007 May 16 – closed as Move discussion to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia policies and guidelines/Wikipedia:Spoiler warningTemplates for deletion/Log/2007 November 8 – closed as DeleteDeletion review/Log/2007 November 14 – closed initially as Overturn and close as no consensus here. Closer self-reverted after discussion at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template talk (he had participated in a previous discussion: see Deletion review/Log/2007 November 14/Admins). Closed as Deletion endorsed by an uninvolved admin who said that although the argument that the TfD closer probably shouldn't have closed the discussion had merit (see Deletion review/Log/2007 November 14/COI), the result was "the only one that could be reasonably made". Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia policies and guidelines/Wikipedia:Spoiler warning was featured in the Signpost at Wikipedia Signpost/2007-05-21/Spoilers: "Even casual Wikipedia readers are likely aware of the epic battle over the use of spoiler warnings that erupted last week. If one has recently seen spoiler, which is linked to by thousands of pages, it is known that it carried a message tempting a visit to this request for comment, which is nearly 100,000 words long." I agree with Anomie that the page can be usefully referenced from Spoiler. The page was [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ASpoiler%2Fold_template&diff=206595883&oldid=192315927 moved] from spoiler to Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template by in April 2008 "[t]o keep the old history". The spoiler template's talk page at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template talk (formerly at Template talk:Spoiler) was nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template talk and kept. An older archive with commentary from 2003 is at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template talk/Archive 1. An editor wrote regarding the spoiler template's talk page at Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template talk: "This page has an appreciable history and documents the gradual evolution of thought about spoiler tagging from an initial standpoint of 100% agreement that it is necessary and beneficial right through to the controversy about the mass removal of tags, and the final successful tfd. It should remain." I agree. This should also apply to Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template, which contains the revision history of spoiler from its creation in 2003 until its deletion in 2007. Cunard (talk) 10:18, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.