Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template talk


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the discussion was Speedy keep, withdrawing. I've never seen a talk page for a red linked template before, so I saw no reason to keep it around. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 00:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/old template talk
Do we really need to archive the talk page of a template that has been deleted many many times? It seems silly. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Don't we need it so we have a record of discussion that led to its deletion?  Pagra shtak  02:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Pagrashtak - as the deletion of this template was a controversial matter that involved much discussion, it seems useful to keep a record of that discussion to refer people to when the issue comes up again. Terraxos (talk) 03:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. This template talk is part of one of the most significant process-abuse scandals in Wikipedia's history. Circa May 15, 2007, about six people mass-changed 45,000-some articles without consensus by controversially misusing AWB, then claimed consensus was needed to changed them back one-by-one. They prevented any changing back one-by-one with an unfair opponent block and many follow-up intimidations, including another unfair block last December 2007 of an opponent who had gathered significant evidence of wrongdoing by senior admins. Last time I checked, the main debate was around two million bytes at six months time. The debate may or may not be over, since there are a million-some narrative suspense net-fans on the outside who probably object, since several new text tags were placed daily, but only a handful of well-placed clique members to hold them off for the rest of their careers on WP. Also, don't exaggerate – IIRC, each of the family of templates was deleted once only, by sequential processes of further abuses. Milo 04:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, for the same reason we keep talk page archives. They are records of discussions that might need to be referenced in the future. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 06:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.