Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 16

===→ ...I'm exhausted, barely breathing, holding on to what I believe in, and no matter what, you'll never take that from me. My reign is as far as your eyes can see. It's amazing, so amazing...=== Taken from the chorus of Amazing. the "you'll never take that from me" part is open to suggestions. The My reign part may be confusing. It means the number of articles of Wikipedia. Again, open to suggestions. I wanted to do another fav song. But I don't see how I could put Bohemian Rhapsody or Welcome to the Jungle. Hope you like it.  § imon KSK  21:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit 1 - I changed it because it said he worked hard to change his user page, not a good message.  § imon KSK  21:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - a bit long. But, if it doesn't pose a problem, I would suggest ...I'm exhausted, barely breathing, holding on to what I believe in, and no matter what, you'll never take that from me. My reign is as far as your eyes can see. It's amazing, so amazing... And, of course, a few 's where necessary for the verses to stand out more. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 00:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * R Comment and Edit 2 - That's good. I like and I change.  § imon KSK  02:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Support - I really like this one. This set of links are excellent, and that is a good choice of lyrics.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Awesome. Icy  // ♫ 23:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: What about using the last two lines only??? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - No, then it would be blah. There is nothing wrong with a long phrase, as long as it makes sense. ₰ imonKSK 20:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ for Feb. 5, 2009. Top  Gear  Freak  21:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Who's the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?
Yes its from Starwars, but I hope it works anyway. And hope this hasn't been done before? Oh and by the way I knows its contradicting itself SpitfireTally-ho! 20:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Support assuming that it hasn't been done before. I think that the second link really makes this motto work.  It's far too easy for people to fall into the trap of assuming that it is OK to treat vandals like garbage just because they are vandals, and I think from time to time Wikipedians need reminding that insulting the vandals (or feeding the trolls, for that matter) just causes more problems.  Even if it feels really, REALLY good while you're doing it.  I mean, you know you're not supposed to, but they just replaced the the whole page with a copy of Top Gun (film), and when you reverted it, they did the same thing again, and then did it to your user page while you weren't looking, and then someone else came in and fixed your user page because you didn't notice because you were busy fixing the first page, and that's SO embarassing because it implies that you can't keep your own house in order, and you really just want to take that lousy, vandalizing IP address and throw every profanity in the english language (and a few Italian ones for good measure) at it, maybe declare Vendetta against it and its family, but you know that you can't because it's wrong, but you REALLY WANT TO, and after all, its just a vandal, and you know it deserves it, and you know that as soon as that 24 hour block expires it's going to get right back to vandalizing and there's nothing you can do to prevent it, so what's the harm in calling it a...  Whoa.  Sorry, I got a little carried away there.  Anyway, anything that reminds people not to make things worse by antagonizing the vandals is a good thing in my book.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * SS - O_o, my god! That's huge! Anyway, it's an awesome message.  ₰ imon K S K 21:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Very Strong Support: Excellent is the word for this one. I've seen too many people leaving sarcastic messages on vandals' talk pages along with warnings. This has never failed to surprise me.  C h a m a l  talk 14:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong support - very clever and meaningful. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  15:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong support - More people should think this way. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 02:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus.  Simon KSK 23:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Jedi Support. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

...there is no higher lifeform than a librarian
Suggest displaying thus:

...there is no higher lifeform than a librarian

- Pratchett et al., The Science of Discworld

// roux   13:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmmmmmm... Weak Support - I really, really like the quote, but I'm not sure that that's the best link for it... why not WP:LIBRARIANS?  They seem like a group that's made alot of good contributions that deserves some recognition.  Additionally, putting it in the motto of the day may inform other Wikipedian Librarians who are not aware of the project of its existance, so they might join.  That link would have my Strong Support.  Or, if you don't like that (since it does single out a specific group of people for extraordinary praise), how about linking it to WP:LIBRARY?  It's a directory of shared resources to assist Wikipedians across various Wikiprojects.  That link would also have my Strong Support.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:24, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I had no idea that existed. Edited. // roux   13:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus.  Simon KSK 23:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per Nutiketaiel. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  19:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per aboves. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 05:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

→ There never was a good war, or a bad peace.
Another pacifist motto with a humorous (?) twist. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 05:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus.  Simon KSK 23:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Very humorous and appropriate. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support. I like it! Top  Gear  Freak  21:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. I like. &mdash; Mizu onna sango15 Hello!  09:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support: Looks good.  C h a m a l  talk 14:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:39, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

→ I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief.
This was the quote of the day over at our good friends Wikiquote. The last two links refer to those people who's minds are closed because they only think of and deal with rules and procedures... you know, Bureaucracy. In contrast, the "opened by wonder" link refers to those individuals who are willing to keep open minds and look beyond Bureaucracy for the improvement of the mind (the Wiki) for all of us. What do you think? Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus.  Simon KSK 23:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I do, in fact, support my own suggestion. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. A good idea and ideology. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Nutiketaiel, you evil vote-stacking *grumble-grumble* :D Just kidding - excellent motto. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 05:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nefarious Reply Accompanied by Evil Laughter - Yes, soon all the tasty, tasty votes will be mine, all MINE, muah ha ha ha ha ha!! Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For god's sake this is a discussion for selecting a motto, not a bloody RfA. Can't you people think of more effective methods of cheating?  C h a m a l  talk 14:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - My socks keep getting eaten by the dryer. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support: That's the way things (should) work around here.  C h a m a l  talk 14:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support  Enigma msg  21:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support: very nice motto Nutiketaiel SpitfireTally-ho! 21:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

→ None think the great unhappy, but the great.
Edward Young (1681–1765), Love of Fame, the Universal Passion, Satire I, Line 238 (1725–1728) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose: These classic mottoes great, but the wording is frankly, too archaic. I'm a bit befuddled by this one. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 05:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

per consensus.  Simon  \\  KSK  Yes we can! 20:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I understand the motto and think that it is good, but the links don't match up with it at all. I can't think of a better suggestion, though.  I'll put some thought into it.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

no guts no glory
User:Nigcig


 * Oppose - I'm sure its been done ten thousand times before, but even if it hasn't, it needs links to clearly establish relevance to Wikipedia. Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - how about No guts, no glory. Although, either way I would probably oppose.  § imon KSK  21:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose Suggested Links - The suggested links are actually fine, but even with them, the quote is still very "meh." Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - There are more ways than 1 to say this. It can be No guts, no glory.  § imon KSK  00:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Response to Comment: Well, think of WP:NOBIGDEAL.

per consensus.  Simon  \\  KSK  Yes we can! 20:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC) === → Between too early and too late, there is never more than a moment.=== The third link is cumbersome but, I think, appropriate. Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose, even with different links. As above(s), very meh. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 00:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * oppose I also think it's all meh.  § imon KSK  02:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose  Enigma msg  20:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - Obviously. Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 *  Weak oppose support - Better  § imon KSK  21:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply - The first link is to a page section condemning "unverifiable speculation"- in short, things that are added to Wikipedia "too early," whether before they are verifiable or before they are notable. The second link is to pages that need to be updated orm, in other words, information that is "too late."  The third link is to a page section praising Wikipedia for its timliness- in other words, being appropriate to the "moment."  Does that make more sense?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus.  Simon  \\  KSK  Yes we can! 20:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC) ===→I know that spades are the swords of a soldier, and clubs are weapons of war...but that's not the shape of my heart.=== Again, it's from a song, and there's a line involving "diamonds", but that might make it too long. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC) ✅ per consensus.  Simon  \\  KSK  Yes we can! 20:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support I quite like it. Elucidate ( light up ) 23:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - very nice motto there. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 00:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support, nice idea. &mdash; Mizu onna sango15 Hello!  09:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Good one. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support - couldn't be said better. :) &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 00:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * SS - Love it.  § imon KSK  02:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Excellent choices on the links. Very good motto.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support One of the better ones we've had lately.  Enigma msg  20:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support: very nicely done AstroHurricane SpitfireTally-ho! 09:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

→ What do we live for, if it is not to make life less difficult to each other?
I'm not 100% satisfied with the links, but I think the quote is solid. Suggestions are, of course, appreciated. Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - Obviously. Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Good quote, and a nice message. Elucidate ( light up ) 23:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I don't think the links need changing. :) &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 00:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Good one.  C h a m a l  talk 12:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Nice quote and a good motto. &mdash; Mizu onna sango15 Hello!  09:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Good motto and cool links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support  Enigma msg  20:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The site is not a crystal ball
 pedro  joão 14:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Mmmm.... Nothing novel about it - just preaching a policy.  C h a m a l  talk 04:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - I think we need a page entitled "What Mottos Are Not," as in, "Mottos are not policy restatements." Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose I could't have put it better myself, Nutiketaiel. Elucidate ( light up ) 23:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose No point in copying and pasting different policies.  Enigma msg  20:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Per consensus. Top  Gear  Freak  18:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Inches make champions.
This is my first nomination, so hope you like it.-- B lack W atch 21  23:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak support: Nothing wrong with this, but we still have too many generic mottoes about article development up to FA. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 23:12, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral - nice motto, but I agree that we have too many FA-related mottoes. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  16:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Support - While I agree that we see way too many FA related articles, this one is timely given that if it is approved it should appear towards the end of the NFL Playoffs or around Superbowl time, and I can;t think of a better set of links to go with this motto. Indeed, I would suggest setting this one for Superbowl Sunday if we don;t have a motto already picked out for that day.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support I agree with the timing. That's a stroke of luck. Elucidate ( light up ) 23:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply - Either that, or good planning on the part of Blackwatch21. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support and make it the motto for Feburary 1, 2009, please.  Enigma msg  20:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ For February 1st. -- LAA Fan sign review 20:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Note The actual quote is "Inches make champions." I fixed it.  Enigma msg  20:51, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.
Making the point that insidious and sometimes hard to recognize POV violations often do more harm than easily recognized and often accidental nonsense added to the Wiki. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - Believe it or not, I support my own idea. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Good idea, but isn't it kind of cheating to support your own idea? :P ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:25, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Evil Redirect - See evil reply to la Pianista, below. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support: Oh yeah, now I'm starting to see the good ones.  C h a m a l  talk 14:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Maliciously strong support. Muahahaha. I have a conviction this is a good motto. ;} &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 19:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Declaration - La Pianista has convictions! She's an enemy of truth!  Everybody get her!  :-P  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support!!! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan sign review 19:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Little strokes fell great oaks.
Epigram says so.  C h a m a l  talk 14:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - Nice, simple and to the point; good message. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support A famous quote, nice linking and a relevant message. Elucidate ( light up ) 23:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Good point and message. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 00:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Pacifism is always a good message here. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 00:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan sign review 19:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I can has cheezburger plz?
I'm not sure about this one, but it's worth a shot. –Juliancolton Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  18:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - Luv teh LolCatz...but it's just not that great. We don't ask for perfect articles - we write them. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C) 20:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose- i lulz att tat, butt i agree wit kittenmaster.  S imon <sub style="font-size:small; color:OrangeRed;">K <sup style="font-size:small; color:DarkCyan;">S <sub style="font-size:small; color:ForestGreen;">K   20:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Where is this from? Simply south not SS, sorry 12:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * its form da thosandz of noobz in da world.  S imon <sub style="font-size:small; color:OrangeRed;">K <sup style="font-size:small; color:DarkCyan;">S <sub style="font-size:small; color:ForestGreen;">K   20:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * One of those cat photos? Simply south not SS, sorry 23:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * jes.  S imon <sub style="font-size:small; color:OrangeRed;">K <sup style="font-size:small; color:DarkCyan;">S <sub style="font-size:small; color:ForestGreen;">K   19:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose'  aye matthew  @ 12:51, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose Kittehs r extinct speesees. But seriously, links are not good.  C h a m a l  talk 04:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - It's a good internet pop-culture reference. The links aren't great, but they're servicable.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What if I changed the last link to WP:FA? It might be more appropriate, but I'm not sure we want another FA motto. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  21:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose Mercy! Not more lolcats. Elucidate ( light up ) 23:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, I do believe this would have been the first lolcat motto. :) –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  23:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak support, provided you change the current 'cheezburger' link to WP:BARN or WP:AWARD (or something else similar). You have to admit it's not bad. :-) &mdash; Mizu onna sango15 Hello!  09:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Great idea, done. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  14:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

This was a tough one, but I'm declining per WP:SNOW.-- LAA Fan sign review 19:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

→I got soul but I’m not a soldier
Show people you can have Rollback without necessarily being an Admin - Matty 4123  (T•C•A) 20:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak support: It's good, but it doesn't really generate a message or feeling that should be attributed to good mottoes. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 03:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 14:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I agree with La Pianista in that it doesn't convey a feeling of community, which is what mottoes should be doing. I suggest changing the first link to WP:AGF. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 23:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - But I like Juliancolton's idea. -- Jake Wartenberg Talk 19:43, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose 12:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south not SS, sorry 22:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

→I got soul but I’m not a soldier
Edit 1 per JulianColton. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 01:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - carries the message more properly. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 01:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Nice idea, but the message is not very strong to me.  C h a m a l  talk 15:58, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support per my previous suggestion. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  16:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - you can assume good faith but your aren't an admin. Makes absolutely no sense to me.  aye matthew  @ 12:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - You can assume good faith (and follow other good Wikipedian guidelines) even if you aren't an Admin, and you should; that's what the motto is trying to say. Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 22:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

===→ You write with ease, to show your breeding, But easy writing's curst hard reading.=== Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1751–1816), Clio's Protest (1819) ~ I'm not sure about the links I used. I think there should be something better. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: How about these links: You write with ease, to show your breeding, / But easy writing's curst hard reading. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 03:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Response to comment: I think it's better than the original version. Thanks La Pianista! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 14:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose - the links don't make a lot of sense, sorry. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 23:44, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Oppose - I'm not sure the reference to good breeding is appropriate for Wikipedia's inclusive nature. Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 22:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

====→ You write with ease, to show your breeding, But easy writing's curst hard reading.==== Edit 1. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 00:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - what?  aye matthew  @ 12:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral What does it mean?  C h a m a l  talk 14:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Oppose - I'm not sure the reference to good breeding is appropriate for Wikipedia's inclusive nature. Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 22:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Be a person and respect others as persons.
Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831), Elements of the Philosophy of Right (1820) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support except for the link to WP:REG; that makes it sound like unregistered contributors are not people. --UberScienceNerd Talk Contributions 23:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree with USN. How about changing the first link to WP:AGF? &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 03:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with UberScienceNerd. My intention with the first wlink was to encourage people to open an account on WikipediA and to be part of it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 14:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose - I agree that the link to WP:REG implies that IPs aren't people. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 23:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - What? Why? Huh?  aye matthew  @ 12:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose: Per Juliancolton, no way!  C h a m a l  talk 14:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose - It's true, IP Addresses are people, too. Second-class citizens maybe, but still people.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 21:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 22:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Be a person and respect others as persons.
Per La Pianista. Edit 1. Simply south not SS, sorry 02:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Support - The links are an improvement, especially since it no longer dehumanizes any of our editors. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 22:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

"How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!" (Proverbs 16:16,)
Paul, in Saudi (talk)


 * Comment - I don't have a bible handy, is that second part of the verse transcribed correctly? It doesn't seem to make any sense.  Regardless, the first part of the proverb has potential, if appropriate wikilinks were added to more clearly establish its relevance to Wikipedia.  Perhaps if "wisdom" was linked to... I don't know, something like Verifiability or WISDOM or... something, and gold to... Edit count maybe... I don't know, something like that.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ( The translation seems to be correct. [|Cite] Paul, in Saudi (talk) 00:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Neutral. Needs some some links. Then I'll change to Support. Top  Gear  Freak  17:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose  aye matthew  @ 13:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Before you can be a champion, you have to be a contender.
This is the tagline for Robert Lipsyte's novel "The Contender" (the article of which I started). Perhaps you've heard of it? Artichoke-Boy (talk) 20:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak support - it's not bad, but it's rather obvious that to become an admin, you have to pass RfA. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  17:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak support with same concern for second link - contender (meaning that one who wishes to be an administrator should have experience contributing first) might work instead, or champion/contender (meaning that an article requires work before it is excellent). --UberScienceNerd Talk Contributions 23:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC
 * How about changing the link from WP:RFA to User:Balloonman/act like an admin?  aye matthew  ✡ 11:12, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support iMatt's link. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 04:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Conditional Support If IMatthew's link is added.  C h a m a l  talk 12:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Before you can be a champion, you have to be a contender
Here's an alternative. Simply south (talk) 11:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 21:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. This is the best version. Top  Gear  Freak  13:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Before you can be a champion, you have to be a contender.
Edit 2 per iMatthew. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 17:55, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Come together right now over me.
From The Beatles (Come Together). Artichoke-Boy (talk) 20:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - Perhaps "now" could be "now"? I think it would add to the humor. Killiondude (talk) 08:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 21:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support as is. Sorry, Killion, but that link doesn't really contribute to the meaning. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 17:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Follow your dreams. Don't let anything stop you!
Brenden Foster (1997 – November 21, 2008) Rest in peace! —Preceding unsigned comment added by pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:54, 1 December 2008
 * Comment: How about Follow your dreams. Don't let anything stop you! ? &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 22:44, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Support with La Pianista's links. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  17:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. Inspiring, good motto. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:00, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 21:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Follow your dreams. Don't let anything stop you!
Edit 1. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 18:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Support! Now it works better... thanks La Pianista! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 21:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Calamity is man's true touchstone.
John Fletcher and his collaborators, Four Plays in One: The Triumph of Honor, Scene I, in Beaumont and Fletcher folio (1647) ~ Something for administrators. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Support. Yes, it's a really good motto, but the links are a bit dodgy. There are plenty of users that aren't admins on Wikipedia! Top  Gear  Freak  17:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 21:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: How about changing the first link to WP:ANI? Much more dramaz there, befitting of "calamity." &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 23:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

===→ As you move toward perfection, it constantly recedes. Quality is not a destination, rather it is a never-ending climb toward an unattainable peak.=== ~ A H  1 (TCU) 17:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: A bit long. Perhaps we can choose one sentence or the other, or condense it altogether? &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 18:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I'm not too worried about the length, but the links are confusing. For example, I'm not sure how WP:PROTECT is relevant. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  17:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. The point with WP:PROTECT is that featured articles are not protected, so Wikipedia may still be edited and expand to infinity, or the non-literal equivalent of that. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 21:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an opportunity seized.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 17:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose - sorry, but it's rather bland, and I'm not sure about the links, either. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  17:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 21:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

You cannot please everybody
Simply south (talk) 12:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Doesn't really say anything new; link is a little offsetting, but will do. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - The motto appears to be implying that consensus is impossible, which is not something that we want to be getting across (nor is it true in most instances). Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

There's no substitute for quality
Perhaps an AFD related motto?  Flewis (talk) 05:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: How about linking the entire thing to WP:PNSD? &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support with La Pianista's suggested link. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

There's no substitute for quality
Edit 1. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

===→ We must take the current when it serves, Or lose our ventures.=== William Shakespeare (1564–1616), Julius Caesar, Act IV, Scene III (1599) ~ "Saw" it on a book about a conspiracy against a dictator or something similar :). Really a "Tragedy" :)! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: How about changing the second link to Special:RecentChanges? &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support with either the current links or La Pianista's- they're both good. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Fierce warres, and faithful loves shall moralize my song.
Edmund Spenser (1552–1599), The Faerie Queene, Book I: Holiness, Proem (1590) ~ "ababbcbcc"... intriguing link.... –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: How does "moralize" relate to article development? &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: It seemed clear to me... but, I have not written the correct Wikipedia shortcut for the first link. My idea was: "to correct the morals (moralize) of vandalized (fierce wares) articles (song(s)) throughout the watchlist (faithful loves). But, "Fierce warres" suggested me to use WP:NPOVD and (probably) I missed the point. What if we change the link for Fierce wares with WP:VAND? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Response to comment: Either way, although the message is very good and motto-worthy, the motto itself is vague. To me, MOTDs should be easy to comprehend on sight. Perhaps you could use a different quote to convey the same message? Weak oppose for now. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Most of the links seem nonsensical to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Life's a journey, not a destination
Ṝ ed M ark V iolinist Drop me a line 21:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Off the top of my head, I would say some decent links to put in would be Life's a journey, not a destination, but I'm sure there are better ones, to. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 20:47, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's nearly what I had, the links just didn't show up for my three. Ṝ ed  M ark V iolinist Drop me a line 14:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Support for Artichoke-Boy's suggested links. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The motto's fine, just needs some linkage. Artichoke-boy's aren't great, and I can't think of any others. TopGearFreak   Talk  14:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose pending the addition of links. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  00:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Life's a journey, not a destination
Edit 1 per Artichoke-Boy, plus a link change by me. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 23:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Support I like it but I always thought the goal of wiki was to get all articles FA? <span style="background:#fff;border:1px solid #048;color:#048;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;xytram&#0149; tk cs gy 14:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 12:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

From a spark, there shall rise a flame.
The motto of the Decembrists. (I've seen various translations - I picked the one I think falls easiest on the ear.) What say you? --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 18:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: How about something out of the norm, like From a spark, there shall rise a flame or From a spark there shall rise a flame? &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 19:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support original, that was a lot like i was thinking. Simply south (talk) 20:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support the original links. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  19:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Pianista's second links. Top  Gear  Freak  13:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support the original version. Simple and to the point.  C h a m a l  talk 14:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

✅ Original links. -- LAA Fan sign review 04:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

→ Fair is foul and foul is fair
The message is Basically to WP:AGF all time. I'm not too sure about the wikilinks - feel free to change.  Flewis (talk) 05:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Some may take it to mean that newbies are vandals and trolling is fair. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - The motto doesn't say anything about assuming good faith. It appears to say that New Users are Vandals, it implies that all Vandals are Trolls, then calls upon us to block the Trolls; ergo, taken to its logical conclusion, the motto is telling us to block all New Users because they are all Vandals and Trolls.  And that is the exact opposite of assuming good faith.  That sounds more like some kind of crazy wiki-ephebiphobia, or maybe just a good old fashioned Witch-hunt.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose. It really does accuse all newbies of being vandals. Top  Gear  Freak  17:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose -per TGF - shows a hostile attitude towards new users. Also somewhat confusing to me... Icy  // ♫ 22:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

-- LAA Fan sign review 04:53, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

→ I like half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve!
This is my first nomination, and the quote is from The Hobbit. I wasn't quite sure where the links should point to... especially the first half of the quote. But I thought the quote was funny and has potential. Any suggestions for improvement would be gladly accepted. Killiondude (talk) 06:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Oppose - I hate doing this because it is an excellent quote and would make a funny motto, but it makes no sense as it is currently linked, and I just can't think of an appropriate set of links for it. If anyone else can, I'd be glad to lend it my support.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Extremely confusing, and I don't get the links. Top  Gear  Freak  17:51, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I've spent three days thinking over this in my free time eating, reading, even before going to bed, and I still don't get it. Sorry. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 22:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - sorry, but I can't comprehend what this is trying to say. –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 23:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose another What? Why? Huh?  aye matthew  @ 12:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

-- LAA Fan sign review 04:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Everywhere We Go, People want to Know!
A line from a song that I know is famous but can't remember where I heard it. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Uh....Want to know what? The link isn't very clear. TopGearFreak   Talk  13:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Yeah, the links don't really make sense. Sorry, –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  20:05, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above(s). &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 00:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It was the chant from Remember the Titans. :) <b style="color:#3366BB">W ODU P</b> 05:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Everywhere We Go, People want to Know!
Edit 1. Different link ideas. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 00:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak support: Makes better sense this way, but it's still a bit ambiguous. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 00:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Everywhere We Go, People want to Know!
Edit 2 - Just a suggestion for different links Matty 4123  (T•C•A) 15:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Actually, the more I see of this motto, the less I like it. It just doesn't sound convincing and is a bit garish. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose all versions of this motto. I can't conceive of a set of links that would make this one passable.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Original and variations 1 and 2. -- LAA Fan sign review 23:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't just do it. Do it right.
<b style="color:#8080ff;">  SIS </b>  21:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support: meaningful and straight to the point. --UberScienceNerd Talk Contributions 03:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak support: Good, but needs a little linkage. Try: Don't just do it. Do it right. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 05:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't that first part kinda telling users not to be bold? Matty 4123  (T•C•A) 18:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. How about this: "Don't just do it. Do it right"? –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  18:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Right! Sorry...it was pretty late at night when I wrote that (I think...) Support Julian's links. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 18:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support with Julian's links. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support for Pianista's links. TopGearFreak   Talk  14:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't just do it. Do it right
JulianColton's links. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 00:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - Admittedly, better than mine. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 00:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support, per my above. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Don't just do it. Do it right.
My links. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 00:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Support. I actually like these links better than any of the above ones. It taps into WP: THINK which is a good concept and is more original than the overused WP: FA link. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 00:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support <span style="background:#fff;border:1px solid #048;color:#048;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;xytram&#0149; tk cs gy 14:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Support. As I said above, Pianista's links are the best. Top  Gear  Freak  17:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

✅ Edit 2 and the rest. -- LAA Fan sign review 19:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

→ Everywhere you go, you always take the weather with you
Please note that this is not the same song as down below although it kept reminding me of this song. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OpposeThe second link doesn't make sense. S imon   K    S    K    18:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - the second link does make sense, but the meaning is still vague. I don't think better links could help here; the motto's wording itself is lacking. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Sorry, but the links don't make much sense. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  17:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

→ Everywhere you go, you always take the weather with you
Alternative links <span style="background:#fff;border:1px solid #048;color:#048;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;xytram&#0149; tk cs gy 16:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC) Both original and edit 1. -- LAA Fan sign review 18:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: How about we speak directly to Wikipedians by changing the second link to Special:MyPage and the last one to Special:MyContributions? &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

===→ A man does what he must — in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers, and pressures — and that is the basis of all human morality.=== John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy (1917–1963), Profiles in Courage (1956) Comment: it's a little bit too long and I'm not sure if the wlinks are good or not. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Support. Love it. But... Holy moly, how will we get it to fit in the userbox?!?
 * Support - I like it, and it's not terribly long. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  17:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong support - excellent linkage, great message. Nothing more to say. :) &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong support - Awesome, good job man.  S imon   K    S    K    21:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

✅ Per consensus.-- LAA Fan sign review 04:32, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

You can't scare me, I have children
It's cute. S imon   K    S    K    20:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Strongest possible oppose - Horrible, sorry.  aye matthew  ✡ 21:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support: I actually like it. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 21:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Scare me of what? It makes no sense.  aye matthew  ✡ 21:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My mom repeats this saying often. It's supposed to mean that, because you have raised children (dealing with temper tantrums, messes, etc.), nothing else seems as "scary." &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 21:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Scare me, in general. S imon   K    S    K    21:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - it seems to say that if you adopt a user, you can no longer be scared but that is simply wrong. Simply south not SS, sorry 19:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment' - How about I link the scare me part to WP:Vandal, showing that editors are "raising" adoptees to oppose vandals?  S imon   K    S    K    19:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit 1. Change it to make more sense.  S imon   K    S    K    20:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - how is adoption related to vandalism? –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  17:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes, the link to WP:VAND is confusing. How about changing it to WP:NPA? &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 05:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit 2. Change. S imon   K    S    K    20:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose The links are unrelated and makes no sense. Why would you be umm... more resistant to personal attacks because you have adoptees? It's  matter of personal attitude and personality, nothing to do with teaching others. I have seen experienced admins getting fed up with Wikipedia because of personal attacks. This irrelevancy makes me think that this motto is, well, not suitable at all.  C h a m a l  talk 13:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus.-- LAA Fan sign review 04:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Even if you dress a monkey in silk, it is still a monkey
I read this in a funny translation book. I was hoping to find something to fit and possibly not related to vandalism but the links seem to work. Simply south (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Wouldn't it look like we are accusing the suspected sockpuppets as vandals? I mean, not guilty unless proven, right?  C h a m a l  talk 12:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops. I'll come up with an alternative soon. Simply south (talk) 18:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You could use WP:SOCK. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 05:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If as the second link, that may not be quite true. f as the first link, then it looks like all sockpuppets are bad. Although you have given me another idea. How about Even if you dress a monkey in silk, it is still a monkey.? Simply south (talk) 09:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment:The American Election 'pig in lipstick' thing is ringing in my ears.... TopGearFreak   Talk  18:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Even if you dress a monkey in silk, it is still a monkey
Edit 1. Btw, this quote is not related to the US elections. Simply south (talk) 20:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC) <hr style="width:50%;"/>
 * Comment - The quote is a good one, but I don't like any of the suggested link combinations. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Matty 4123  (T•C•A) 19:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose - not sure how sockpuppetry is related to username violations. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  21:18, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the message on the try i was trying to get across was, even if a person edits from a completely different account with a stated reason, it is still the same person. Simply south (talk) 22:53, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 20:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus.-- LAA Fan sign review 04:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

This is an encyclopædia, not just a website
Hopefully will be okay without links and i hope nobody minds that this is border FUI, but the last part has been slightly altered. Simply south (talk) 23:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Perhaps better as "This is an encyclopaedia, not just a website." Still, my links would get a Weak support from me. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 23:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Support with La Pianista's links- the second one isn't great, but I can;t think of a better one off hand... Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south (talk) 20:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now. Sorry, but it needs some links. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  19:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

→ Wisdom begins in wonder.
A very simple and to-the-point saying...I hope the message is not too overused. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 20:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Love the Socrates - great motto! But can anyone think of a fresh alternative to the clichéd "WP:BOLD" link? I'm tempted to bring up WP:WISDOM :D, but it doesn't fit in with the other link. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:45, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: How about WP:CTW for Wisdom? Best I can think of right now.  C h a m a l  talk 06:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not quite. Keep 'em coming... &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 18:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment from Artichoke-Boy: Yeah, I sort of agree with La Pianista's and Chamal N's comments, but I'm drawing a blank to an alternative first link! I'll keep thinking...but in the meantime, I'm going to leave it how it is and see if others like it. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 20:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggestion from trvsdrlng: How about WP:ELF for the first link? WikiElves are wise... :) Trvsdrlng (talk) 06:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support for Chamal's suggested link. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:26, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

→ Wisdom begins in wonder.
Edit 1. Per Chamal's suggestion. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 20:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak support: Meh - still not there yet. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 05:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support per my above. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment/Suggestion: What a motto... it must be approved!!! How about: "Wisdom begins in wonder" or WP:CTW→WP:WC or WP:FA→WP:WC??? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 20:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Pjoef's second set of links. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support with Pjoef's links. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  19:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

→ Wisdom begins in wonder
Edit 2 per Pjoef. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 03:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

- no strong consensus on any of them. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

→ Beware of the dark side
Hate to go with a Yoda quote, but I found this one catchy.-- LAA Fan sign review 17:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak support: It's okay, but a little trite. &mdash; La Pianista ( T • C • S ) 17:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose - Far too trite. Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I would only Support if this is changed to, "Be aware of the dark side". --  SRE.K.A nnoyomous .L. 24 [c] 22:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Conditional support: I agree with SRE.K.A.L.24's proposal. --UberScienceNerd Talk Contributions 00:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support if changed as SRE.K.A.L.24 suggested. It's a bit boring the way it is now, hearing it all the time. C h a m a l  talk work 00:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Conditional Weak Support with suggested changes, and ONLY if it has never been used before. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Conditional Weak Support per Nutiketaiel. &mdash; La Pianista ( T • C • S ) 19:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

→ Be aware of the dark side
Per above-- LAA Fan sign review 16:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Good idea. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Conditional Weak Support assuming it hasn't been used before, as above. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Conditional Weak Support as per above. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 14:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

→ Be aware of the dark side
Perhaps "the red side"? Also, can someone think of a link for "Be aware"? &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 17:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

&mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 16:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - Maybe link "Be Aware" to "List of cabals"? Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

→ Be aware of the dark side
Bingo! TINC. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 22:00, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - I withdraw my support for the other version. It's nice to have a change from mottos that just refer to vandalism, and it's good to remind people that Humor exists.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

whole lot - no consensus on most with not enough discussion but with the original one a possible with no consensus. Simply south (talk) 20:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support per above. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  19:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. Funny, good idea. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 22:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

✅ edit 3, the rest. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

We've been through ups and we've been through downs, but that's what makes the world go 'round.
This could work...but that's for you to decide. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 17:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Great, but I would like the second link to be changed to WP:WOW. Then, this will have my Support. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 18:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south (talk) 20:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC) in favour of edit 1. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

We've been through ups and we've been through downs, but that's what makes the world go 'round
Edit 1. Per La Pianista's comment. I like it better this way too. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 15:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support: Clever, and well linked. C h a m a l  talk 12:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - Very good links fo rthis one. Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

- not enough discussion. Simply south (talk) 20:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Support per above. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  17:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 16:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia: Technology for Better Living.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 22:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Uber-boring, sorry. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 03:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Don't like the link, somehow. It's like an ad, telling people to join because we are so good. I know this sounds stupid, but I can't think of anything better to express my feelings about this one. C h a m a l  talk 14:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - I like the motto; I think it's clever. I think the essay at the other end could be more well written, but I have no problem with the motto itself.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Support + suggestion: How about: “Wikipedia/Wikipedia: Technology/Technology for Better Living”? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Pjoef's first set of links are much better. Still, the wording of the motto is a turn-off for me. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 20:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 20:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

- no consensus after reopening. Simply south not SS, sorry 21:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

He who gets the last laugh didn't get the joke.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 17:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose: I love the saying, but I don't see how "last laugh" has to do with vandalism. &mdash;  La Pianista  (T•C•S) 18:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - To me it seems like the motto is saying that the vandals are getting the last laugh and not getting blocked for it. I like the motto itself, just don't like the linking. Matty 4123  (T•C•A) 18:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - the vandals don't get the last laugh. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  17:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south not SS, sorry 21:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)