Wikipedia:Motto of the day/Nominations/Archive 25

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I’ve been thinking for a while as to whether I should nominate this...and I concluded that it’s worth a shot. Hopefully, this motto will promote this project and motivate users to participate. Just for the record, I have no idea how this is going to be reviewed. But that's for you to decide! Artichoke-Boy (talk) 19:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Perhaps this could be used as the emergency motto (when there are none on schedule) instead of 'Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'. Per A-B, it would encourage more people to help the project out. Wikiert  T S C 14:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea, Wikiert. I want to wait for more comments before jumping to that decision so quickly, though. I also have a question: how do I make it the "emergency motto" if I decide to do so? Artichoke-Boy (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

(no consensus)  Kayau  David Copperfield  MOBY DICK   the great gatsby  05:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC) ✅ (per consenus) Secret Saturdays   ( talk to me )  23:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support as an emergency motto, Weak support as a regular motto. strdst_grl   (call me Stardust)  15:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Not even on the slowest of news days. I don't like the implications.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support even as a normal motto, cause it tells people to write more mottos 67.180.161.183 (talk) 22:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support for both normal and emergency. Comment on emergency motto: I am not sure about the procedure that we must follow, but I think it should be moved to Special nominations. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong strong strong oppose for regular mottos, and weak support for emergency mottos.  Kayau  David Copperfield  MOBY DICK   the great gatsby  08:07, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose for regulars - cutting a few strongs since we haven't been getting enough. And still, weak support for anniversary.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse 11:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support It's a good idea. If we don't have a motto for a day, clearly we need some help. --I dream of horses (T) @ 19:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support It raises awareness for WPedians! Smaug123 (talk) 16:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Some people might think it implies we have ran out of motos to post, be I think that it's a great opportunity to encourage more people to join Motto of the Day! WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   16:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this motto should be used on March 30th to celebrate MOTDs 5th anniversary. Simply south (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - hey, there is no consensus as to which day we use this motto.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 13:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

→ With Glowing Hearts, we can be Swifter, Higher, and Stronger.
It's the combination to the 2010 Winter Olympics and the Official Olympic motto. I would like it to appear on February 12 2010, the day the Vancouver Olympics begin. Secret Saturdays (talk) 03:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC) ✅ for Motto of the day/February 12, 2010 (per consenus). Secret Saturdays  (talk to me) 22:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Sure, why not? Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support. This is an excellent motto. The links here are just perfect. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 19:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support - Great moto! WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

→ We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.
I would like to appear on November 4 (Election day in the US). Secret Saturdays (talk) 21:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC) (per concensus) Secret Saturdays (talk) 02:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose I don't think it's a good idea to relate the Presidency of the United States to adminship, because that might give people the (incorrect) idea that adminship is a position of authority, power, and respect, which it is not.  Intelligent  sium  review 01:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - I completely agree with Intelligentsium on this one. We don't want to be giving the false impression that Adminship is worthy of esteem or special regard, or that it is something people should aspire to.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

→ We should never judge a president by his age, only by his works.
Edit one - This has my support, because it sends a "don't bite based on edit count" message, whilst not portraying admins as authority figures.  Intelligent  sium  review 01:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose as the original creator I believe that the other was better in message because I heard of a lot of users that were rejected for adminship because of their age and as such, the age thing m,ust be discussed and be noticed by the community (and we rarely have a problem with edit counting bites). Secret Saturdays (talk) 00:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Support - This version sends a much better message than the original which applies to all Wikipedians. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per Nutiketaiel. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 19:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ for Motto of the day/November 4, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) Secret Saturdays (talk) 02:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Today I am The Luckiest Man On The Face Of The Earth
Lou Gehrigs words in his luckiest man speech i feel that this is a good motto and should be used on his birthday or July 4th. BigPadresDUDE (talk) 01:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose How is this relevant to Wikipedia? --I dream of horses (T) @ 02:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Today I am the luckiest man on the face of the earth.
Same thing, only linked to make it relevant to Wikipedia. both (no concensus) Secret Saturdays (talk) 00:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose both - Where is the quote from? It's still not really relevant either, I think. Smaug123 (talk) 16:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply; its from Lou Gehrig and i reworded the first one to be more releveant to wikipedia BigPadresDude 03:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose both - Neither of these suggestions are relevant to Wikipedia, nor do they carry any particuliar message, nor are they especially good quotes. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

→ We have so much to be thankful for...
This is, obviously, for Thanksgiving of 2009. I shuffled how I should word this back and forth in my head, but decided that the best way would be the most straightforward and in the sprit of the holiday. So there you have it.  ARTICHOKE-BOY  (Talk) 22:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - As much as I like the food, and having an excuse to visit with family, I really hate the idea behind Thanksgiving. Still, the motto itself isn't bad, and since it could easily be construed as thanking the Editors, I'm OK with it.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Great message and link. Secret Saturdays (talk) 03:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ for Motto of the day/November 26, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) Secret Saturdays (talk) 21:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

=== The first noel The angels did say Was to certain good shepherds In fields where they lay. Merry Christmas, Wikipedians, from the team at MOTD! === My proposed Christmas motto (inspired by the Christmas motto from 2006), which is based on The First Noel.  ~ Mag nus   an im um    (aka Steptrip) 23:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I found this one in the archives. It had recieved abolutely no discussion therefore i think it should be reopened (one and a half years late). 2009 Christmas? Simply south (talk) 14:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Support - Not bad, but I'm not sure about the second link... not sure what to replace it with, though... Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: How about The first noel / The angels did say / Was to certain good shepherds / In fields where they lay. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 03:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Pianista's links. Top  Gear  Freak  15:51, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * La Pianista's links get my support.  ARTICHOKE-BOY  (Talk) 17:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose in support of the more secular Christmas quote below. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose especially the last sentence.  Kayau  David Copperfield  MOBY DICK   the great gatsby  08:01, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

(no consensus)  Kayau  David Copperfield  MOBY DICK   the great gatsby  12:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with "Merry Christmas, Wikipedians, from the team at MOTD"? Simply south (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support It has good links and it actually is a quote! Smaug123 (talk) 11:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

✅ La Pianista's edit for December 25th per general consensus.-- LAA Fan sign review 23:58, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see my comments on Wikipedia talk:MOTD for more explanation.-- LAA Fan sign review 00:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

He who has not Christmas in his heart will never find it under a tree
I'm not enitrely confident about this one. Let me know what you guys think! :) -- ♥Soccer5525♥ Talk To Me! 16:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Second link could be changed, but otherwise okay. I presume this is a nom for Motto of the day/December 25, 2009? Wikiert  T S C 18:29, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Commentyeah for xmas -- ♥Soccer5525♥ 00:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

(too few opinions)  Kayau  David Copperfield  MOBY DICK   the great gatsby  06:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support You know, I really like this one--a lot better than the "noel" one. --I dream of horses (T) @ 03:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support and suggestion What about linking Christmas to WP:Wikilove?  Kayau  David Copperfield  MOBY DICK   the great gatsby  08:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support Original and insightful! Smaug123 (talk) 19:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

✅ For December 24th per consensus.-- LAA Fan sign review 23:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see my comments on Wikipedia talk:MOTD for more explanation.-- LAA Fan sign review 00:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

→ Friendship before statehood.
The state motto of Texas. I would like to have it released this December 29, the day Texas became a state.Secret Saturdays (talk) 00:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Good message and links. Smaug123 (talk) 11:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support I like it. Get acquainted with other people, and the community, before becoming an admin. --I dream of horses (T) @ 18:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I'm fine with it, and it would make sense to use for the day Texas was admitted to the Union. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose ~ This is a great motto and and its message is highly relevant and educational, but from Alabama to Wyoming there are other 49 states and 49 dates. What about the other 200 countries in the world? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ for Motto of the day/December 29, 2009 (per consenus) OC-Tex Express (talk) 21:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Whoa, whoa, hold on there, how is this consensus? Three to one is not consensus, and Pjoef brings up a good point that is at least worthy of discussion.  How can you call this consensus?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it meant WP:SNOW. Secret Saturdays (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply Three in favor and one strong oppose with a well thought out rationale is not WP:SNOW, either.  Pjoef brings up a good point which I think deserves discussion at the very least.  You closers throw WP:SNOW around way too easily.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes we can!
I know wikipedia is non-partisan - but I'm sure this would bring a smile to everyone's face during the next few days. (See below for NPOV solution)  Flewis (talk) 11:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC) (no concensus, and Obama is already president for some time anyway)  Kayau  David Copperfield  MOBY DICK   the great gatsby  12:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - ✅ ✅ ✅ Perfect! -- Flewis (talk) 11:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - It would never get approved in time to be timely for the election, and I think we allready considered this one. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Support. How about making this the motto for the day Barack Obama is sworn in as President? Top  Gear  Freak  15:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose: I admire the spirit, but the controversial grounds are still a bit shaky for me - WP:NOT comes to mind. &mdash; La Pianista  (T•C•S) 22:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Even though I am a strong supporter of Barack Obama, this motto does not have much strong meaning considering Wikipedia. Madadude  My Talk Page 05:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes we will!
For our more conservative friends -- Flewis (talk) 11:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - It would never get approved in time to be timely for the election, and I think we allready considered this one. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Srtong Oppose. Sorry, opposed for two reasons. 1) Election is over. 2) See WP:NOT. Top  Gear  Freak  17:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above 2. Basketball110  My story/Tell me yours 15:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * (per consensus)  Kayau  David Copperfield  MOBY DICK   the great gatsby  06:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Trick or Treat, Smell my feet, Give me something good to eat.
Unless it's been used before.  iMa tth ew (talk) 01:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks funny to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Strong Support (looks more suitable, now that I know what it's for) Sounds OK, but why is this in the special nominations section? C h a m a l    Talk   ±  13:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Halloween.  iMa tth ew (talk) 14:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, then I'm changing my vote. C h a m a l    Talk   ±  14:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong support Okay, who in the heck is this iMatthew guy, going around and stealing all the good ideas? :D :D :D &mdash; La Pianista ( T • C • S ) 17:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong support; this is awesome :D !! mathwhiz  29  03:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Btw, if this goes ahead, this would be for the 2009 Halloween. Simply south (talk) 13:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Why? What's wrong with this Halloween?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The special nom has already been decided. See Motto_of_the_day/Nominations/Archive_13. Simply south (talk) 21:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That wasn't voted as a special nom, just put there as nobody saw there was already a pending special nom, if this passes - it take that one's place.  iMa tth ew (talk) 21:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually that was voted as a special nom. See for example here from the history. Sorry. Simply south (talk) 22:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't realize there was allready a special nom for this Halloween. Mea culpa.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Support. Make this the Motto for Halloween 2009. Is this enough consensus? Top  Gear  Freak  19:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support --88wolfmaster (talk) 23:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Halloween 2009. Simply south (talk) 14:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

→ Wikipedia: The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave
...It's worth a shot. Artichoke-Boy (talk) 21:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC) I copied and pasted this motto (which I nominated on October 23rd) to be (possibly) released during next Independence Day (per 88wolfmaster's comment). Artichoke-Boy (talk) 12:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC). Moved motto to top (forgot to do so the first time!). Artichoke-Boy (talk) 00:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

✅ for American Independence Day, 2009. Simply south not SS, sorry 00:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - The first link is very clever. I support assuming it hasn't been used before.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm liking this. Strong Support. Malpass93 (talk) 12:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Wiki-Patriotism, yay! &mdash; La Pianista (T•C•S) 18:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support per above. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Support: Per everything above. C h a m a l  talk 15:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * support--88wolfmaster (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment tempted to save this one for July 4th 2009.--88wolfmaster (talk) 19:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Really good! Top  Gear  Freak  19:55, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Very great motto! Madadude  My Talk Page 05:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support I like the linking. Elucidate ( light up ) 20:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

What is the fastest food in the world? Scone.
Another perhaps better try. Effectively edit 1 on the internet meme. Simply south (talk) 13:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC) (per consensus, 1 oppose and 1 confusion after reopened discussion) Smaug123 (talk) 20:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Confused Look - At the risk of sounding like an idiot... I don't get it. How are scones fast?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a play on words as in "it's gone" said quickly. Could you suggest a more universal (bad) joke? How about Patient:"Doctor, doctor, i feel like a pair of curtains!" Doctor:"Pull yourself together" Simply south (talk) 15:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - BJAODN is inactive, and linking to it would not only be confusing, it would also send a bad message that if your vandalism is "funny" enough, it will be preserved and given attention, which is what vandals want. Completely opposite the spirit of WP:DENY.  Intelligent  sium  23:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: Yeah, and you sound like an Uncyclopaedia supporter this way.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  11:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Patient:"Doctor, doctor, i feel like a pair of curtains!" Doctor:"Pull yourself together"
Don't take some things so seriuosly. Simply south (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC) (no consensus)  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 05:53, 17 January 2010 (UTC) (per WP:SNOW) Smaug123 (talk) 20:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC) ====Patient: "Doctor, doctor, I feel like a pair of curtains!" Doctor: "Pull yourself together"==== Edit 3 –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC) (per WP:SNOW) Smaug123 (talk) 20:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Both Versions - Both jokes are really bad, and I still don't really get the first one. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In some places the "It" part of "it's" is not pronounced properly.... 20:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC) Simply south (talk)
 * Reply - But "gone" and "scone" don't sound alike. "Gone" is pronounced "ɡɔːn" and "scone" is pronounced "skoʊn."  They use completely different vowel sounds.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right and wrong in some ways. This makes me realise that it must be another Br Eng vs US Eng again. Scone here depending where you go is pronounced the same as gone. Simply south (talk) 21:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Since BrE is encouraged in Hong Kong (though many people prefer AmE), 'scone' and 'gone' rhyme perfectly for me. But I don't find it funny at all.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  11:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * So no "so bad its good"? Simply south (talk) 19:15, 14 January 2010 (
 * It's just silly (see below).  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 09:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strongest oppose ever for both versions. No real meaning. I mean, what will you think about an organisation whose motto is 'Why did the chicken cross the road'?  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  10:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I would think that such an organization is strongly devoted to getting to the other side. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - it's quirky and it's good to have a message about jokes once in a while. Smaug123 (talk) 08:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The current situation is, the link is to WP:FUN and WP:FUN isn't BJADON; it shouldn't be associated with bad jokes like this one.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 03:58, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * How about a link to both?  Patient:"Doctor, doctor, I feel like a pair of curtains!" Doctor:"Pull yourself together"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smaug123 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Ok, these bad joke mottos are starting to get a little ridiculous. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. BJAODN itself is not a good link, and the WP:FUN is about being fun, not bad jokes.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose to edits 1, 2, 3 - I think that people are just trying to get the motto approved, is this how desperate MOTD is to approve mottos? Problem with edit 1, unless explained or read quickly, it's hard to make sense. Problem with edit 2, the motto is meant to about bad jokes, why is it linked to WP:FUN? Isn't that meant to about good jokes? Problem with edit 3, again WP:FUN is used and BJADON is not the best of links. In edit 2, the I is i, I can imagine that some people will just look at the motto and think it's just an ordinary joke linking to WP:FUN. Why are we keeping this? WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:07, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Know thyself.
I'm not sure if this is gonna work.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 03:02, 17 January 2010 (UTC) ✅ for Motto of the day/February 5, 2010 (per consensus, 4 support 0 oppose) Smaug123 (talk) 15:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing you meant WP:PR so have changed it. Simply south (talk) 00:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC) Support. Simply south (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I kind of like this one. It's simple, to the point, and draws user attention to a useful tool.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - per above.  WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   12:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ Adversus solem ne loquitor ("Don't speak against the sun") === I.e., don't argue the obvious. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Neutral I'm not so sure about the link. Maybe the five pillars will work?  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - I like this one. I think the idea is very good, and it a point that many people disregard.  I think the current link is fine, but if it is too difficult for some people to grasp, maybe try You don't need to cite that the sky is blue, which would get across a similiar point.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south (talk) 19:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

====→ Adversus solem ne loquitor ("Don't speak against the sun") ==== Edit 1 per Kayau with WP:FIVE. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support It's a bit of a funny link IMO. Smaug123 (talk) 13:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - It seems to me to be carrying a message that Wikipedia is hostile to questions about its goals. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south (talk) 19:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

====→ Adversus solem ne loquitor ("Don't speak against the sun") ==== Edit 2 per Nutiketaiel with You don't need to cite that the sky is blue. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Honestly, I very strongly feel that the first link is better and perfectly clear. I am only supporting this one as a compromise if people won't support the original.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:57, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - that link is very good, much better than before. Smaug123 (talk) 19:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support this one isn't as good as the original.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 11:48, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ edit 2 per consensus. Simply south (talk) 19:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC) ===→ Docendo discimus ("by teaching, we learn") === Seneca the Younger (c. 4 BC – 65 AD), epistulae morales I, vii, 8. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Excellent link, it fits perfectly in the context of the quote. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, but without the strong bit, simply because we seem to be having a lot of adopt-a-user mottos.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:21, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - I don't think we can have enough adopt-a-user mottos! Smaug123 (talk) 19:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 19:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Drug free is the way to be!

 * Nascarfans (talk) 02:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

per WP:SNOW and MOTD rules.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 12:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strongest oppose ever. Whoever posted this must be unfamiliar with the MOTD. This one has no wikilinks and the arrow link is wrong. Drugs don't talk.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 11:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Agreed, the motto is inappropriate. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:11, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Napoleon is always right.
 Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - Wow, I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, it's hilarious.  On the other hand, the link really doesn't fit with the context of the quote.  Perhaps you could explain your reasoning to me, Kayau, and convince me?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support That's a really good quote - I think the link is about the fact that Napoleon's rules were not conducive to the welfare of the animal society, so we should in that sense ignore all rules. Smaug123 (talk) 19:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply Yes, exactly.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 11:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Ah, that makes perfect sense then. I am a little concerned that the average reader might not understand that that is the rationale behind the quote, but it is good enough that I think we should take the chance.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:14, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/February 2, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:17, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Rome wasn't made up in one day.
 Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 03:25, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - it's the 'made up' thing I'm not sure about, since the message is different to the well-known version of the quote with 'made'. Smaug123 (talk) 08:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I don't know, but I think altering to to fit WP:NFT will be fine but anyway,

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Rome wasn't made in one day.
Edit one per Smaug123.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 13:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 *  Support Oppose in favour of Edit 2 below I like that much better! Smaug123 (talk) 13:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose first two versions- I like the first two links, but the third link really kills it for me. It has nothing to do with the other two and does not follow logically.  The message of the quote seems to me to be "Featured Articles need to be developed, and don't put things that were just made up one day on Wikipedia."  The two concepts are incongruous.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 2) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Rome wasn't built in a day.
Edit 2 - I think this version keeps a little more closely with the theme, which is that building Wikipedia up takes time, and there is no rush since the world isn;t going anywhere. WP:NO DEADLINE would be a more appropriate quote than WP:The world will not end tomorrow, but apparently No Deadline has been tagged as a failed proposal for some reason, so I hesitate to use it. Anyway, this edit has my Strong Support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support That has stronger support than the previous versions from me! Smaug123 (talk) 19:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I guess I was messing up with the last link.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 11:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/February 1, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

→ The wise man builds his house on the rock.
This phrase/proverb comes from a parable in the bible (Matthew 7: 24 - 27). Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 17:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC) (in favour of edit 1 below) Smaug123 (talk) 21:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. You're saying that Wikipedia is the only wiki which lets users produce good encyclopaedia articles. Not true.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 00:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply. Ok then, how about if I changed the wikipedia link to internet or Wiki? Is that more appropriate? --Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 13:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case, it's OK but I don't think it would carry a good meaning. Maybe OK for an emergency motto.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 03:45, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean. Do you have any suggestions for how to improve this particular motto? Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 13:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support! ~ IMHO, Wikipedia is the only good encyclopaedia... (read: Academic studies about Wikipedia)... and MOTD creates semi-official Wikipedia mottoes. I do not think that Cambridge is shouting slogans in favour of Oxford, and vice versa. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Who cares about Nupedia? This is Wikipedia, and we're coming up with mottos for Wikipedia, not for a defunct predecessor website.  I think this quote as currently linked is fantastic.  It sends a good message about how important Wikipedia is, and how good it has become.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply to the above messages: I think it sounds proud and arrogant to say, OK, if you wanna build a marvellous encyclopaedia article, do it on Wikipedia, the best place for Wiki articles.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Nobody ever said Pride was a sin. Oh, wait.  They did.  But they were wrong.  Besides, Wikipedia is the best place for Wiki articles, and people who want to build marvelous encyclopedia articles should come here.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply I guess it can be understood that the Western culture undervalues the importance of humbleness, since it was not affected by Confucius. Pride itself is not a sin, but it causes a lot of sins. Wales was proud of being the founder of Wikipedia, and therefore edited his own page, denying that Larry ever founded it with him. This caused a great deal of controversy. Hitler's cruelty was partly triggered by the fact that he is proud of being a non-Jewish white. You may think that humbleness is too 'fake', but this is not true. It is simply the evasion of showing off.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

→ The wise man builds his house on the rock.
Edit 1. SpitfireTally-ho! 12:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC) ✅ for Motto of the day/January 31, 2010 Smaug123 (per consensus: four strong supporters including me) (talk) 21:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Really Strong Support - Wow. OK, I liked the original linking very much and I still do, but this version caught me by surprise.  It sends an excellent message in a clever way.  Well done, Spitfire, very well done.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strongest support ever. This is excellent, unlike the one above. I still oppose the original version.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * very weak super stong support Simply south (talk) 15:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - all the reasons above! Smaug123 (talk) 19:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Western democracy is not for China.
The guy quoted this on Newline once.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  11:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and in case you're wondering, I'm NOT announcing battle on the Dalai Lama quote.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  11:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

per WP:SNOWBALL  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose Isn't this a bit culture-specific? We could have → Western democracy is not for Wikipedia.Smaug123 (talk) 13:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply While I must say that Hu never said that western democracy is not for the pedia, which is an encyclopaedia not a country, I'll still add your idea, plus another that I just thought of:
 * Oppose - I see where you're going with this one but... I don't know, it just doesn't sit right with me. I mean, sure, Wikipedia is not a democracy, but it's also not an oppressive oligarchy like China (well, unless you count the WP:Cabals, but we don't like to talk about them).  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply Describing China as an 'oppresive oligarchy' is only a personal opinion... It's a definite improvement since Qin Shihuangdi's reign...  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:38, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - You're using a loony tyrant from the warring states period to demonstrate that China has improved? That's not really saying much.  OK, I'll support you there.  The situation in China has improved a little over the course of the 22 centuries (give or take) since the reign of Shi Huang.  That doesn't make the modern Chinese state any less of an oppressive regime.  And yes, it is my personal opinion.  It is your personal opinion, apparently, that China is a happy-fun-time-place.  That doesn't make me any more comfortable with equating Wikipedia with them.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, Ying Zheng's conquest of the state of Qi marked the end of the Warring States period, so when he burnt books, buried scholars and fought babarians, it was already his own Qin dynasty. Anyway, I see that China gives a bad impression to Western countries... Well, I guess I can't do anything to that, so maybe this motto is not so appropiate after all.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:09, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: &#147;You have a choice, we are your voice / Red, blue or yellow. / ... / I'm sorry democracy is changing!!!&#148; — Jaz Coleman / Geordie Walker / Martin "Youth" Glover "Democracy", Democracy, Killing Joke (1996) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Thanks for the musical interlude. I'm sure it was very helpful to everyone.  Now, was that intended to express your support for the motto, or your opposition, or some kind of suggestion...?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply: Well, IMHO the only decent version is the one using Wikipedia instead of China, but we should not re-write quotes, so I think that I oppose all versions. Links are good (or not so bad), but I do not like the phrase itself. It sounds like propaganda to me. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Western democracy is not for Wikipedia.
 Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 15:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC) per WP:SNOWBALL  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - We should not be re-writing quotes. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Western democracy is not for China.
 Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 15:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC) per WP:SNOWBALL  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I find this version less objectionable, because it seems less blatant about comparing Wikipedia with China, but I still oppose for the reasons I state under the original edit. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ Cura Personalis ("Care for the entire person") === Motto of a number of Jesuit colleges and universities that reminds teachers to listen to students. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support - I think very few people will know about the Adoption process; it's good to raise awareness. Smaug123 (talk) 13:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Good choice of link there. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:06, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support, BUT I don't think that 'very few people know about the adoption process.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 30, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.=== This is my personal favorite quote from The Princess Bride. Think of it as a sort of vengeance-related battle cry. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 16:19, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose . Not everyone in the 'pedia are vandals, you know.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 02:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support Ah, silly me. I thought that 'you' and 'killed' are the same link. :)  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support I love that film and the links are good. Smaug123 (talk) 08:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Kayau, it's not saying that everyone in the Wiki is a vandal. The second link specifically refers to Long Term Abusers (which, by the way, was an inspired choice of links for Count Rugen I must say; nice work, Artichoke Boy).  I suggest that "Hello" be put in unlinked at the beginning of the quote, as that is the full statement (so it would read "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.").  Just a suggestion, though.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:21, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 29, 2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:32, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Catch it. Bin it. Kill it.
From general medical campaigns. Simply south (talk) 20:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Good saying, good links, so...Support. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 15:55, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: But not everyone have the right to kill it!  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 02:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Intelligentsium and decide to weak oppose.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 13:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support The links are appropriate, but blocking to "killing" does not seem to be a good analogy. Blocking is done for the protection of the encyclopaedia, not for any kind of punishment, and many blocks are undone either because they were issued incorrectly or the user blocked has shown reasonably likely not to revert to his/her previous state of disruption. I think I need not mention that it is not possible to "un-kill" as it is possible to unblock.  Intelligent  sium  00:05, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't freally use WP:BAN as that wouldn't show the process. What would be better in the last link? Simply south (talk) 00:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Linking "block" to "kill" is just a little bit of poetic license. We do it all the time, and I see no problem with it as long as it makes sense, which it does in this instance.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 28, 2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ “Most musical, most melancholy” bird! A melancholy bird! Oh! idle thought! In nature there is nothing melancholy.=== Samuel Taylor Coleridge (1772-1834), The Nightingale: A Conversation Poem (1798). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose what is the message you want to bring out?  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:15, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: editors/wikipedians are the bird and Wikipedia is the nature. Something like an ode to wikipedians. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That doesn't sound right, so I'll switch to oppose.
 * Oppose - Not really seeing any kind of message here. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 1 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ Don't you want somebody to love? Don't you need somebody to love? Wouldn't you love somebody to love? You better find somebody to love.=== Seeing how there is quotes that are enitrely linked to WP:BOLD, I wanted to try WikiLove. Beside, it doesn't hurt to try. Secret Saturdays  (talk to me)  23:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Something tells me this is going to go the way of the last one. Simply south (talk) 12:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Note: I broke the text on several lines (per WVRMad suggestion). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support! Thinking to the lyrics and the real meaning of the song, a link to No edit wars seems to be more accurate, but the WP:WikiLove link is good too. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral Huh? (jaws dropped, goggle-eyed.) Are you sure?  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: Many folks think that this song is about a broken love story, but, in few words, this is a song about Vietnam, politics and the lies of politics. This part of the song basically says that you want somebody to love just because you want to keep your mind off this disgusting reality. And, their lovers were LSD, heroin and other drugs.
 * Oppose: its kinda, uhm, yeh, uhm. SpitfireTally-ho! 14:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak support/Suggestion - It's ok, it might be a bit easier to read if it was on several lines though. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   14:58, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - Not exactly a breakthrough, but nothing wrong with it either. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 27, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ Starres are poore books, and oftentimes do misse; This book starres lights to eternal blisse.=== George Herbert (1593–1633), The Church: "The Holy Scriptures", Part II –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC) - not enough discussion. Simply south (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It's not very good, but it is passable I suppose and the message isn't bad. Save it for a slow news day.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose simply because the spelling may make it difficult to understand for those who have trouble reading English (or who have trouble reading, period). --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong neutral maybe.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Very weak oppose - It's not bad, but I don't think it is a particually strong motto and I agree with I dream of horses, some people may find it hard to understand. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   14:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 2 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:49, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

→ If the name is not correct, the words will not ring true.
I found this translation of 名不正則言不順 in the English translation of The True Story of Ah Q.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 06:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - it's quite interesting! Smaug123 (talk) 08:18, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 26, 2010 (per bland consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

→ From each according to his ability; to each according to his need!
Origin of the motto and your comments. 76.235.111.214 (talk) 01:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * First comment goes here. 76.235.111.214 (talk) 01:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Any replies get indented again. 76.235.111.214 (talk) 01:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

What about: → From each according to his ability; to each according to his need! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Support for the phrase, and Weak Support for the links. Also, the phrase has its own article, so I changed the link for the right arrow to point to it, and I added the exclamation mark to the end.
 * I prefer pjoef's version.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:42, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

====→ From each according to his ability; to each according to his need!==== Edit 1 with different links. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 25, 2010 (per very, very bland consensus; 2 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:42, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ Do you ne'er think what wondrous beings these? Do you ne'er think who made them, and who taught The dialect they speak, where melodies Alone are the interpreters of thought? Whose household words are songs in many keys, Sweeter than instrument of man e'er caught!=== Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807–1882), Tales of a Wayside Inn: "The Poet's Tale" (1863) (with Wikipedians in the role of the birds) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - The edit one version is more clear, but I still have concerns (see below). Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:38, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

====→ Do you ne'er think what wondrous beings these? Do you ne'er think who made them, and who taught The dialect they speak, where melodies Alone are the interpreters of thought? Whose household words are songs in many keys, Sweeter than instrument of man e'er caught!==== Edit 1 (with Articles in the role of the birds) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - Given the subsequent links, WP:WIAA makes more sense for "these" than the linking in the original proposal. However, I have some concerns about the capitalization.  If you take out the line breaks, it reads "Do you ne'er think what wondrous beings these?  Do you ne'er think who made them, and who taught The dialect they speak, where melodies Alone are the interpreters of thought?  Whose household words are songs in many keys, Sweeter than instrument of man e'er caught!"  Note the words that I italicized, all capitalized in the middle of sentences.  I do not think that they are supposed to be.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I had the same concerns as you, but all the versions I have, and all the versions I found have the same capitalization. For example, see: Project Gutenberg's Tales of a Wayside Inn, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow; Henry Wadsworth Longfellow – Tales of a Wayside Inn – The Poet's Tale: The Birds of Killingworth </li><li>Feathered Friends.</li></ul> –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Poems can capitalise if they want to.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  12:40, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:38, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 24, 2010 (per very very bland consensus but we are running dry again, please HELP! 2 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 16:38, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

No shirt, no shoes, no service.
Suprisingly enough, this common phrase hasn't been used yet. I searched the archives, and it doesn't show up anywhere. Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 02:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support ~ simple and to the point. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support and comment what about changing the link to service to something else? 113.253.203.191 (talk) 14:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 23, 2010 (per very-very bland consensus, but our "tank" is nearly empty; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:38, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds.=== 1 Cor 3:10. I can't think of a link for be careful, but I'd like there to be one... any ideas? <font face="Times New Roman"> Singlish  Speªker ♪♫ 21:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. As for the 'careful' bit, it could either be the manual of style or verifiability. Anyone got other ideas?  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. The saying is good, and the message is timeless. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 15:58, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 22, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ I'd like to say that people people can change anything they want to; and that means everything in the world. ... Without people you're nothing.=== Joe Strummer (21 August 1952 – 22 December 2002) – Never Forgotten, Always an Inspiration, Always Missed!!! I'm not sure about the last link and WP:WRITERS could be changed with WP:EDIANS. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - The WP:WRITERS link is fine, no need to change it. I'm wondering, though, why is "people" repeated in the first part of the quote?  Is that part of the original quote, or a typo?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:02, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: Yes, it's part of the quote or, to be precise, it is part of a speech made by Joe Strummer that has been used many times, including the intro to the Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros' music video for "Redemption Song" by Bob Marley ( Official MV on YouTube ) or at the very end of Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwritten ( THE FUTURE IS UNWRITTEN 11 of 11 on YouTube ). –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; 2 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:52, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. Looks good to me. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 15:59, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 21, 2010 (per very bland consensus, but we are running out of mottos; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Hey Bobby, what's the french for Va-Va-Voom?
From old Renault adverts with Thierry Henry. Too bland? Simply south (talk) 21:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Support Naw, not bland at all! --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak weak support like I just don't like the idea of, um, this kind of humour but this one seems OK.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  12:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've got rid of the bad jokes and this one is seriously a well known catchphrase from those ads a few years back. Unless i am not getting what you mean. Simply south (talk) 20:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The point is, the joke from the ad (I'm from HK, haven't a clue about it) doesn't really fit the reference desk, which isn't about joking around.  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 02:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 20, 2010 (per bland consensus, but we are running dry again; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

===Some say that the glass is half empty, But it's important to realize that the glass won’t be like this forever.=== This one just sort of came to me. I was juggling as the whether the last link should be to the page shown (Wikipedia is a work in progress), or to the Wikipedia is succeeding page. I think I made the right choice, though. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 16:06, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It's not bad. I agree that the current link is better than a WP:Wikipedia is succeeding link.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support I like this one a lot. 113.253.203.191 (talk) 14:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- Secret Saturdays   (talk to me)  02:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 19, 2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:52, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

→ The purpose of our lives is to be happy.
Not sure how well the first link works... <font face="Times New Roman"> Singlish  Speªker ♪♫ 04:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC) (consensus: oppose)  Kayau  Odyssey  HUCK FINN   to the lighthouse  BACK FROM EXAMS 05:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Our purpose as Wikipedians is not to be happy, it is to build an encyclopaedia. <font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Intelligent  sium  01:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - While I agree that this is a good philosophy for life, it is not an appropriate motto for Wikipedia as currently linked. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I do not like that man nor the sentence, but this counts for nothing. What about using WP:BOLD for "to be happy"? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - I don't think that a link to WP:BOLD would fit with the meaning of the quote. Also, why don't you like the Dalai Lama, or the above sentence?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ROFLOL: IMHO, happiness must be a consequence and not a purpose. If it is a purpose of an individual, it is simply a demonstration of egoism/selfishness. In other words, it is better to give than to receive. "[To live in] peACE [with others] through Love" should be the final aim/purpose/goal of our lives. About that BEEP, just read the news before the 2008 Summer Olympics that took place in Beijing. IMHO, he is a devil disguised as an angel, and just another "puppet" in the hands and at the "service" of the BEEP power. Anyway, this is such a complicated subject, and this is not the right place to deal with it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:48, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * A devil disguised as an angel? I think he's just a devil disguised as a, er, devil. It's been increasingly obvious what a big fat liar he is, brownnosing the western governments and all that.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  12:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment it seems that the purpose of editing is for only fun. No, we don't edit to enjoy ourselves - we edit in the sake of building a great encyclopaedia. Wikipedia is an extrememly important part of my life, and it has helped me in many ways, and that's why I think I have a responsibiliy to contribute to it. It is true that we don't always do what we don't like though, since we do only the parts we like - I might contribute to Hong Kong's history but I wouldn't be seen dead editing economics.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  10:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Make that a complete and utter oppose.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  11:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Man must not check reason by tradition...but tradition by reason.
The second I heard this quote by Tolstoy, I thought it would make a good MOTD nomination. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 16:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Well linked, an excellent statement of the ideals behind WP:IAR. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk •contribs) 10:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 12:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Exactly the kind of motto that brings out a good message for all of Wikipedia.  Kayau Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  BACK FROM EXAMS 14:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 18, 2010 (emergency approve) <font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Intelligent  sium  00:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

→ If you need instructions on how to get through the hotels, check out the enclosed instruction book.
I just couldn't resist. :-) Secret Saturdays   (talk to me)  03:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - I think the concept is funny, I just think it would be less confusing without the "hotels" reference. Can't change a direct quote, though.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support with or without the "hotels" reference. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Why not? --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 17, 2010 (per consensus; 3.5–4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Only a fool thinks his enemies stand still when he isn't looking.
A quote from the character Damer Flinn to character Rand al'Thor in the Wheel of Time series novel A Crown of Swords by Robert Jordan. I'm trying to get across the point that vandalism continues even when people aren't looking out for it, so we must always be on guard for it. This is the second time I'm nominating this one, as it didn't generate a consensus the first time. The original discussion can currently be found here. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. I like this one a lot. Even though La Pianista technically does have a point, the message is still good! It's like a little wake-up-call motto (of sorts). --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 16:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support Nothing like an anti-vandalism motto to wake you up in the morning. --I dream of horses (T) @ 17:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 16, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:57, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

→ It's time to try defying gravity
I got the idea when I heard the song here. Secret Saturdays  (talk to me) 02:34, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it. It's a good, simple message.  However, is there a reason that "defying" is capitalized?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * hmm must have been a typo. I must get a new keyboard. Secret Saturdays   (talk to me) 23:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - try something new. Good message. Simply south (talk) 15:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 15, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

All your base are belong to us
I know this has been done before but they seem to have been rejected each time. Simply south (talk) 22:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - That meme needs to die. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It’s too obscure (well, maybe I’m just internet-meme-challenged, but still...) --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 16:09, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose: MOTD/FUI. <font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Intelligent  sium  17:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

per FUI. Simply south (talk) 15:46, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ God's drifting in heaven, devil's in the mailbox, I got dust on my shoes, nothing but teardrops.=== SpitfireTally-ho! 21:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - Admins are not gods (though, if you linked devil to Admins, I might be able to get behind that). I'm also not to keen on equating WP:EDIT with dust.  Finally, I'm not sure what kind of message the quote is trying to get across.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:25, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The motto is too unclear, and I cannot really think of a good link for "God", as Wikipedia is more or less an egalitarian meritocracy. <font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Intelligent  sium  20:26, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The first couple of links don’t sit well with me, and I was borderline confused at the last one. "Nothing but deceased Wikipedians"? Huh? --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 16:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: in the first line, "god" and "devil" are the opposite of each other, so we can change the first link with WP:EDITORS. But, for the second line... I have no idea. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

per consensus. Simply south (talk) 15:46, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The most important things in life are often not realised until they're taken away.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Simply south (talk) 18:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - I like it, and it carries a good message, but I have to admit I don't get the "realised" link. Why is that in there?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The "realised" link is meant to show that the featured articles are realised, or improved, when WikiProjects collaborate to work on them. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Ah. It doesn't really seem necessary.  I think it detracts from the motto.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak support - I like the motto but I don't think the link for realised's meaning is clear enough. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 14, 2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

We do not inherit the Earth from our parents, we borrow it from our children.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral: I love this, except for the link to Jimbo Wales, maybe WP:Bureaucrats instead. *shurg* SpitfireTally-ho! 12:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - let down by the link to Jimmy Wales. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:00, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

We do not inherit the Earth from our parents, we borrow it from our children.
Edit 1 per Spitfire. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support I prefer this version, although Astro is to be applauded for the original idea, SpitfireTally-ho! 20:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose to both versions - First off, I dislike the reference to either Jimbo or the Bureaucrats as parents. They're not.  Not even close.  Secondly, I don't like the sentiment.  What do you mean, we're borrowing Wikipedia from newbies?  That doesn't make any sense at all.  They actually ARE inheriting it from us, because when newbies come in and edit, they're inheriting the work that previous editors have done, then building on it themselves.  Nope, there's nothing in this motto I can get behind.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I gave this message because the newbies are really the editors who are likely to be here in the future, when the current editors might no longer be editing. For "parents", whoever started the project on Wikipedia would be a good idea. Finally, this compares the realm of Wikipedia to environmentalism, where future "generations" are really more important.
 * Reply - Sure, current editors might no longer be editing. Newbies might no longer be editing, either.  And, as an environmentalist, I do not think future generations are more important that the current generation.  I want to preserve the planet for myself and my generation as much as I want to for my nephew and for other people's children.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

The use of "newbies" here constitutes registered editor snobbery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.8.24 (talk) 22:10, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply - Oh, grow up. Besides, WP:NEWBIE links to the new editor help page- it's there for the use of all new editors, whether they are registered or not.  Don't be so sensitive.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:36, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Not really, the motto is actually saying that new users should be held in higher regard than more experienced ones. Hardly snobbery. On another note, please stop making comments like these, since they are uncivil, kind regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 18:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Definition of Newbie: a slang term for a newcomer to an Internet activity.  NOT just an IP, any new users.  WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S: Sign you comments. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 13, 2010 (per bland consensus; 4 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

→ No problem can be solved at the same level of thinking at which it was created.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support: very nice, not sure about the link to RecentChanges, but the rest of the motto is superb, SpitfireTally-ho! 12:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I really like the sentiment, but the link to recent changes ruins it for me. That makes no sense.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:37, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The link to RecentChanges is there because vandalism is often detected within recent changes, and to "solve" the problem is to "revert it", often while the Wikipedian is looking at it from within recent changes. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - The version as linked seems to imply that all recent changes are vandalism and that the recent change page itself is part of the problem rather than a tool for solving it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per above, I Support edit 1. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

→ No problem can be solved at the same level of thinking at which it was created.
Edit 1 - I removed the last link, which I felt was unnecessary and made no real sense in the context of the rest of the motto. No other changes were made. This version has my support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:37, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support ~ per Nutiketaiel. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 12, 2010 (per bland consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikiholism is an ineffable concept.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Very weak support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Wikiholism is not an ineffable concept. It is easily explained in words.  They're right here.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I don’t understand the point you’re trying to get across. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 16:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Artichoke-Boy. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:03, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Open the manual.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - too bland. Simply south (talk) 18:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - There's nothing wrong with a simple, straight-to-the-point motto, especially one that links to an important Wiki-resource that many people don't know about. I sure didn't know about this missing manual thing before this motto, but looking at it it seems quite useful.  It's a direct motto with a good message (come on, tell me you all don't wish some newbies would actually read about our policies a little before making major edits) that links to a useful and not well known resource.  That makes this an A+ motto in my book.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. The link is way too good to pass up. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 16:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree with South on this one, its a too bland, and doesn't put across a message as a motto. Sure, the link is good, but we don't have mottos which simply say: "Don't make personal attacks", however brilliant a policy WP:NPA may be. In my opinion the purpose of the motto is to present a certain take on a particular policy/guideline/essay or some aspect of wikipedia. (PS, happy Christmas all) SpitfireTally-ho! 16:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Yes, but this isn't a policy. We're bringing attention to a less well known resource on Wikipedia and that, I think, makes it an acceptable motto.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I usually don't support mottos like this but I think this is an excellent opportunity to spread awarness of this resource. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:27, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

The use of "newbies" here constitutes registered editor snobbery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.8.24 (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd mildly point out to you that Nuti was not aiming his comment at IPs, he was aiming it at the slightly newer users who haven't had time to read our policies or guidelines yet. Kind regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 18:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I would point out the same thing, but I already did (less mildly) at one of your other comments above. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:46, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 11, 2010 (per consensus; 5 in support and 2 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 12:01, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Live, inspire others, and make a difference.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support: quite a nice, shortish motto, that is nonetheless thought provoking. SpitfireTally-ho! 12:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support ~ This is really good!!! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Simply south (talk) 18:40, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It's not bad. The "inspire others" link doesn't seem like an inspired choice, though.  Maybe something related more directly to one user inspiring another, like WP:ADOPT for example?  Just a thought.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:45, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I think maybe help seems to be the intended the link or am i wrong? Simply south (talk) 12:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. When Wikipedians show new editors the how-tos of editing, the new editors are often inspired. That's the message I'm trying to get across. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:48, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Yeah, I get that, I just don't think that WP:HELP is the best link to get that message across. I think that WP:ADOPT is better because it refers to a single editor explaining "the how-tos of editing" to another single editor, and therefore (hopefully) inspiring him.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:09, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I like this motto as much as edit 1, I think it implies that you are inspiring others to help as well. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook  18:18, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 10, 2010 (per consensus; 6 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Live, inspire others, and make a difference.
Edit 1 - per Nutiketaiel. I would Support this edit. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook  18:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support per my above comment. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:57, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

If one is seeking happiness, one is unhappy, but if one is seeking something else, one is happy.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support: I love the message here, SpitfireTally-ho! 12:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Question - OK, let me see if I understand this- If you want to be an Admin, it's because you need to take a break from Wikipedia. But, if you're working on Featured Articles, it's because you are already happy because somebody gave you a Barnstar?  Is that the meaning this quote is trying to get across?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply. No, you got it exactly opposite. It's the other way around. If you're seeking adminship, it may end up with you taking a Wikibreak, but if you're working on featured articles, you may receive awards and recognition such as barnstars, therefore you are "happy". ~ A H  1 (TCU) 20:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose - The motto's meaning is too ambiguous as currently written, and even if I accept your meaning, I still think the first part about adminship candidates taking Wikibreaks makes no sense. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:10, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose: This quote seems to equate seeking adminship with seeking happiness, and thus being an admin with being happy. It may give users the wrong idea about adminship. <font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Intelligent  sium  17:36, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - The wikibreak bit makes no sense. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; both versions) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

If one is seeking happiness, one is unhappy, but if one is seeking something else, one is happy.
Edit 1 SpitfireTally-ho! 18:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose - This version makes no more sense than the original. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:10, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: if one is seeking Adminship, then one is unhappy (and so should take a wikibreak), however, if one simply seeks to contribute to wikipedia, then one will find that as side-effect of that they are happy (or have fun). SpitfireTally-ho! 16:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose: See above. <font style="font-family: Vivaldi"> Intelligent  sium  17:36, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(no consensus; both versions) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Humour, it cannot be too often said, must be kind.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Don't go overboard and don't laugh at their expense. Simply south (talk) 18:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I like the concept, but the specific links don't work for me. Or, more accurately, the first link doesn't.  Category:Humor is a category about Wikipedia articles on humor and humorous subjects, and really has little to do with WP:BITEing.  Perhaps WP:HUMOR would be more appropriate, as that links to the category on Wikipedia Humor, where being bitey is a real concern.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:51, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - per Nutiketaiel, I Support the second version. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Humour, it cannot be too often said, must be kind.
Edit 1 - Per my above, this version has my support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:51, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per my above. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 9, 2010 (per consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

→ Freedom is the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Not bad. A fairly clear stating of the principles espoused in WP:FREE.  Well done.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Very good message! WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 8, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:48, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

→ We all have ability. The difference is how we use it.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose: don't like the link to Wikiproject, how about WP:CTW instead? SpitfireTally-ho! 12:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - See below. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - It doesn't matter what wikiproject you belong to. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:45, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

→ We all have ability. The difference is how we use it.
Edit 1 per Spitfire. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:08, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:08, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support, though in truth I found nothing wrong with the original motto. Working together in Wikiprojects is one of the ways we use our abilities.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 7, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:45, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

===→ Try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations.=== What do you think? Secret Saturdays  (talk to me) 23:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

====→ Try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations.==== Edit one, incorporating most of Saturdays ideas, as well as some new ones. SpitfireTally-ho! 12:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - The original version was good, but the added links really make a marked improvement for the second version. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support- Secret Saturdays  (talk to me)  15:58, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Love the links! --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 16:21, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 6, 2010 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Things don't change by themselves, you have to be active to mould the environment in which you are going to practice.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support: again, a nice point, not sure about the link to Wikiproject, but I like the use of bold and FA, SpitfireTally-ho! 12:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I like the linking in this one. I'm fine with the wikiproject link, incidentally.  A Wikiproject is a group of editors who come together to edit a group of articles on a specific topic- that seems to fit with the phrase "mould the environment" in this context.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 5, 2010 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

→ The mark of a moderate man is freedom from his own ideas.
~ A H  1 (TCU) 23:17, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support: makes a good point, and I like it, SpitfireTally-ho! 12:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:11, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - This is a perfect quote to describe WP:NPOV. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:58, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 4, 2010 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:19, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

===A place of special meaning and thought, Be glad of what you've learnt and taught=== completely made up on the spot but to me seem meaningful. Simply south (talk) 21:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't think most readers will understand the self referential links. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

====A place of special meaning and thought, Be glad of what you've learnt and taught==== Edit 1 ~ Simply south (talk) 21:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - The linking is a little better here. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 3, 2010 (per bland consensus; 3 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ A glory gilds the sacred page, Majestic like the sun, It gives a light to every age, It gives, but borrows none.=== William Cowper (1731–1800), Olney Hymns (1779), On the Scripture: "HYMN SIXTY-TWO" –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose – it starts out alright, but "borrows none" doesn't really make sense to me. That alone would have made the vote a "neutral," but I'm slightly against glorifying FAs for two reasons. One, it's a highly overworked topic here at MOTD. Two, we forget that many editors are working in the background, tidying up articles with most of their contributions sporting the bold little m. I understand your motto could inspire some editors to work harder at an FA goal – there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm sure you catch my meaning. It's almost as bad as the handful of mottoes that drop by occasionally, touting the "kingliness" of admins. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 08:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Following your reasoning, and if I understand it correctly, if in a near or remote future there will be a perfect society, where everything is love and peace, and peace and love, we will get bored of those two words and we will begin to talk about hate and war. I am never bored of FA things even if all the articles on Wikipedia will be FA, but at the present moment (2009-12-22), there are 2.724 featured articles, of a total of 3,134,456 articles on the English Wikipedia... and you know that it ain't no good! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:41, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - While I don't generally have a problem with espousing the virtues of featured articles, I agree with La Pianista that the last two links make little sense. Additionally, I don't like the first link.  I really don't see a need to link to the picture file for the little FA star.  Seems kind of wierd to me.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:20, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is the glory that gilds the sacred page. Isn't? (^___^) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 13:41, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Yes, I understood your reference, I just don't think we need to be putting links to picture files in a motto. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:13, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:14, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

→ If all the swords in England were pointed against my head, your threats would not move me.
Yeh, pretty rubbish. >.< SpitfireTally-ho! 08:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - would not move me. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

→ If all the swords in England were pointed against my head, your threats would not move me.
Edit 1, per La Pianista. I really like this version of the links. I think WP:DENY sends a very good and strong message in that context, and I think it is an important reminder to editors that one of the greatest tools for fighting vandalism is to deny recognition. This version has my Strong Support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support ~ I prefer this one. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support: definitely better, SpitfireTally-ho! 20:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 2, 2010 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 11:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

If you're not getting dirty, you're not having fun.
My mom has always told me this. Any better ideas for the second link? Wiki548 (talk) 17:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - How about doing away with the second link altogether? &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

If you're not getting dirty, you're not having fun.
Edit 1 - Only one link, suggested by La Pianista. Wiki548 (talk) 00:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - This version is better. The department of fun has little to do with boldness, and the statement makes more sense unlinked.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support + bow &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 22:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Secret Saturdays  (talk to me) 21:37, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/January 1, 2010 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

If you're not getting dirty, you're not having fun.
Edit 2 - One more option for the second link. Wiki548 (talk) 04:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension: A dimension of helping, sharing, and doing. You’re moving into a land of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into: The Wiki Zone.=== This is my take-off of the famous Twilight Zone monologue that opens every episode. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 23:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Very Very Weak Support - I think the links are excellent, but I'm not that keen on the alterations of the original quote, though in this context I suppose it could be taken as humorous. Still not too keen on it, though.  Also, I think "The Wiki Zone" sounds very corny.  The links are so well chosen, though, I can't help but support it a tiny bit.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - Even more humorous would be to leave "The Twilight Zone" in its place. Like WP would hypnotize you or something. I agree with Nutiket; "The Wiki Zone" is more than a little cheesy. Also, I'd suggest replacing the colon after "into" with ellipses. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support for reasons listed in Edit 1. Wiki548 (talk) 04:36, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

====→ You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension: A dimension of helping, sharing, and doing. You’re moving into a land of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into...The Twilight Zone.==== Edit 1 per La Pianista's suggestion. I usually have a good cheesiness-radar; I’m surprised it didn’t pick this one up. Oh well. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 21:15, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - Yes, it's much better this way. No more cheesiness, and the links are still excellent.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I like "The Wiki Zone" better. Sure it's corny, but it makes more sense.  Saying the Twilight Zone might confuse people.  This is a Wikipedia motto. Wiki548 (talk) 04:34, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per Nutiketaiel. Secret Saturdays   (talk to me) 05:47, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:27, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 31, 2009 (per consensus; 5 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

It's what's up front that counts
Hope people get the message. -- <font face="Mistral"> SRE.K.A.L. | L.A.K.ERS ]] 07:07, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Question - I don't get the message. What does "up front" refer to?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It refers to the material of the article. I knew at least someone wouldn't get it. Laugh out loud. 174.6.186.104 (talk) 05:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - It just doesn't seem at all clear to me. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:43, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak support - A bit obscure. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Very weak oppose. The text is just too vague for me. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 20:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Vague, and a bit too slangy. I'm all for slang in jest, but a motto seems to lose some of its depth when tied so closely to it. Ain't nothin' against y'all though, aight? &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ The bells themselves are the best of preachers, Their brazen lips are learned teachers, From their pulpits of stone, in the upper air, Sounding aloft, without crack or flaw, Shriller than trumpets under the Law, Now a sermon and now a prayer.=== Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807–1882), Christus: The Golden Legend, Part III (1851) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - It's not bad. I personally would have gone without the last link, but it's still good.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:23, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak support - I'm not sure about last two links. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   09:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Re: they link to the today's featured article and picture. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:43, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggestion - Can't the last two links be to Featured articles and Featured pictures? For someone like me who just looks at where the links lead to, I saw December 7 2009, also a new user (of visitor) of wikipedia, they might not understand the links. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

(There is presently not enough consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:13, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

====→ The bells themselves are the best of preachers, Their brazen lips are learned teachers, From their pulpits of stone, in the upper air, Sounding aloft, without crack or flaw, Shriller than trumpets under the Law, Now a sermon and now a prayer.==== Edit 1 per WVRMad –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - No significant difference from the original, so it retains my support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Simply south (talk) 21:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 30, 2009 (per consensus; 4 in support and 0 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

===Holy Bible, book divine, Precious treasure, thou art mine; Mine to tell me whence I came; Mine to teach me what I am.

Mine to chide me when I rove; Mine to shew a Saviour's love; Mine art thou to guide my feet; Mine to judge, condemn, acquit.=== John Burton (1773–1822), Holy Bible, Book Divine (1803); music composed by William Bradbury (1816–1868) in 1858. If this is not too "blasphemous" for you... but I thought that we are close to Christmas. Links to PLAY the hymn and the FULL LYRICS. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I'm not a big fan of the religious nonsense in general, but the links were so well chosen in this one that I just had to support it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - The links are very well chosen. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Well-chosen links, sums up Wikipedia very well. Wiki548 (talk) 20:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support No, it's not blasphemous... I don't think anyone would get offended. <font face="Times New Roman"> Singlish  Speªker ♪♫ 23:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ per WP:SNOW although rather weird considering the day that this is being approved on. It has been snowing here. Simply south (talk) 21:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

→ Only a fool thinks his enemies stand still when he isn't looking.
A quote from the character Damer Flinn to character Rand al'Thor in the Wheel of Time series novel A Crown of Swords by Robert Jordan. I'm trying to get across the point that vandalism continues even when people aren't looking out for it, so we must always be on guard for it. I like the links, but while I considered adding more for "fool" and "stand still," I could not think of any that would fit "stand still," and every link I could think of for "fool" was insulting to general Wikipedians, so I left it alone. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Strongly resolute neutral :D - I see your point here, but it doesn't take an IQ of 50 to realize that vandalism goes on without us looking. It's like saying that crime goes on when there aren't police around, no? &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 21:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Just because it's obvious doesn't mean we can't state it. We constantly state the obvious in mottos.  :-P  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Well, just because we do it "constantly" doesn't really give us a justifiable reason to do it, does it? Just because the majority of people use "it's" and "its" interchangeably doesn't mean we can do it all the time. What happened to doing things differently? :P right back at ya. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 01:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Obvious though it may be to us, I think it is good to provide a reminder of the fact occasionally. In many ways, that's what we do with alot of mottos- we remind Wikipedians about aspects of Wikipedia that they may not always think about.  Some people who just come in to add content or whatever may forget that Wikipedia is being constantly vandalized and that vigilance is needed.  And... wait, did I use "it's" wrong in my last statement?  :-O  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - yes, but must the fact be so blindingly obvious? I mean, there are [multiple levels http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/13/funny-pictures-oh-goody-2/] of obvious. I understand your point, but this is a bit too "And your point is?" for me. And no, my sweet darling, as always, your grammar is impeccable. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 05:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - OK, I see your point. I still disagree, though; I think it is a good reminder, just like our many many mottos on vandalism.  I think we should agree to disagree on this one.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak support - I think it's ok.  WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:58, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ My Book and Heart Must never part.=== New England Primer –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC) - no consensus. Simply south (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It seems like kind of a wierd quote, but there's nothing really wrong with it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I don't really get the meaning. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:00, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support I like it, seems to be saying that we should be bold in implementing the MoS, or in other words, that we should be bold, but within the constraints of the MoS, personally I quite like it, SpitfireTally-ho! 22:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support. This one's okay. I tried to find an appropriate link for "Must never part" (I sensed there was something that would fit), but I was unsuccessful. So this'll do as is. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 20:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ per weak consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Creating a suggestion can make a day.
I hoping this will make sense and is a message to make more motto's. Noneofyour (talk) 22:58, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak support/Suggestions - I'm not sure people outside of MOTD would know what it means. How about changing Creating a suggestion (WP:Bold is used to much anyway) and having something like Creating a suggestion can make a day., or  Creating a suggestion can make a day., I had to add or the link would just be bold here.  WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   10:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Creating a suggestion can make a day.
Edit 1 – Suggestion from WVRMad. Noneofyour (talk) 13:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support ~ I prefer this version. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose to both versions - I like the idea, but the motto itself seems... awkwardly worded. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

A contribution a day keeps the doctor away.
Edit 2 - no offense to doctors. I've also gone off on a tangent, if that's alright. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 21:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Does not make sense; how does suggesting a new motto prevent WikiProjects from becoming inactive? <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  23:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose per FUI. Rules are rules. And with this it is trying to say that without people contributing to this project, this place would be inactive. dumdedum Simply south (talk) 20:43, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, schnitzel. Withdrawn. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 03:56, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

(both; no consensus. Edit 2 withdrawn per FUI) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

all - no consenus. Simply south (talk) 21:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ That's the funny thing about arriving somewhere... Once you're there, the only thing you can really do is leave again.=== From the character Kelsier, to the character Vin, in Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn series. This motto is intended to express the idea that, even when you shepherd an article to a great state, there is always something else to do at Wikipedia. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose Seems to be saying all featured articles eventually decline, which is not necessarily the case. In fact, most featured articles actually improve with time. <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  22:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - per Intelligentsium. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   10:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I got it. We (and FAs) must not rest on laurels. Correct me if I'm wrong. It is good to me. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Yes, that's correct, Pjoef. What I'm saying is that after we create a featured article, we can't stop there- we have to move on and start working on more articles, because Wikipedia is a work in progress.  Does anybody have any link suggestions that may get this across more clearly?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. I like this linking better than the one below, which seems to say that consensuses are always unpredictably changeable. I think this linking makes a lot of sense; after an FA is created, we have to leave it to create more. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 23:08, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose in favor of Edit 1, but this is still OK. Wiki548 (talk) 20:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I love the concept. The meaning is thoughtful, fresh, and is a great point that we forget from time to time. The linking couldn't be done better. But I do have a problem with the quote. If it had ended "you can really do is start going somewhere else," or "you can really do is try to stay where you are," (I know the second one doesn't really make sense) I wouldn't have an issue. Since it is the way it is, it sounds as if featured articles can only go downhill. I understand that's far from your point, but the quote doesn't live up to the meaning. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 07:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 21:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

→ That's the funny thing about arriving somewhere... Once you're there, the only thing you can really do is leave again.

 * Edit one - Completely unrelated to the original message, but these may be the only links I can think of that make sense. The thought of the original is good though; perhaps for an easier quote? <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  23:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support - I prefer my original linking, but this version makes alot of sense, too, and sends a message that I think is often disregarded on Wikipedia. People often think that, because there was once consensus on a matter, that consensus becomes set in stone and can never be changed.  That is obviously not the case, and this quote with these links is an excellent message to send.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I like it more than the original. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I agree. I like this one better.  This one has better linking. Wiki548 (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

→ Learning to love yourself, it is the greatest love of all
Simply south (talk) 20:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC) (both; no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - It's an OK message, I guess, but has little relevance to Wikipedia, especially given that the Wikilove page is more about being kind to others. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral - Its a meh message due to the fact it is has little revelance to Wikipedia, agreeing to Nutik statement. Nice try, though. Noneofyour (talk) 00:35, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Very weak oppose - Hasn't got much to do with Wikipedia. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   10:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support ~ It's a good message, and I "love" it. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:04, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Nutiketaiel’s right, wiki-love is more about being kind to others than loving yourself. Messages about wiki-love are certainly welcome, but we shouldn’t just tag the idea to any quote about love. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 23:12, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 21:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

→ Defeat is not the worst of failures. Not to have tried is the true failure.
From BrainyQuote. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook  14:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I like the message, and the first link is excellent, but I don't think that WP:VAND fits for the last link. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Has any one get any better ideas for links? WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What about WP:EDIT? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:05, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - That could work, but if you use that, I would suggest just linking it to the word "tried" rather than to the whole phrase. I think it would be more clear that way.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

(no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

→ Defeat is not the worst of failures. Not to have tried is the true failure.
Edit 1 - Per Pjoef's suggestion. I think this one gets the meaning across better, and has my support. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutiketaiel (talk • contribs) 08th December, 2009
 * Support - I like this version more. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Awesome. <font face="Times New Roman"> Singlish  Speªker ♪♫ 05:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 23, 2009 (per consensus; 4 in support) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 10:17, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ The best index to a person's character is (a) how he treats people who can't do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can't fight back.=== Not sure about this, the idea that a vandal can't fight back comes around because they're bound to get blocked... Hmm, yeh, not sure, *rambles on a bit more* SpitfireTally-ho! 22:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I don't think the linking of "people" to the new contributors' help page is the best, nor is saying that newbies can't do any good. Furthermore, it is more likely than not that if vandals are "forgiven", they just come back to vandalize again (hence the few successful unblock requests). <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  01:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I don't think the line how he treats people who can't do him any good is saying that new users can't do any good but saying he is not going to get anything out of adopting new users, but he's doing it out of the kindness out of his heart and trying to help them. I also agree with Spitfire, I don't think the last line is particually good and is the worst part of the motto.  WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I agree with Intelligentsium and WVRMad's concerns about the linking. Additionally, I don't like the motto itself- there is nobody on Wikipedia who "can't do any good."  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say that the person "can't do any good" what it says is that they "can't do you any good", in other words helping them is a completely selfless act because you gain nothing by doing it. SpitfireTally-ho! 13:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - But do we not all gain whenever the encyclopedia is improved, which is something that everyone can do? Isn't that why we're all here?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

====→ The best index to a person's character is (a) how he treats [ people] who can't do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can't fight back.==== Edit 1. Better links I think. SpitfireTally-ho! 17:25, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Better links, I like line (a) especially. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I suppose the linking on this version isn't as bad, but my concerns about the motto itself remain the same as above. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * See my comment above SpitfireTally-ho! 13:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

✅ (see below) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

====→ The best index to a person's character is (a) how he treats people who can't do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can't fight back.==== Edit two - reversed to make vandals those who can't (or refuse to) do any good. <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  23:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the same reasons as above. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

(all versions; no consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support (Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Question - What are you supporting Pjoef? You've already supported both versions. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Answer: Yes, both versions with a preference for edit 1. It was just a reminder (for me), and to stimulate the discussion. You can feel comfortable that I will not count them during the approval process. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak support - this version is ok but I prefer edit 1. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ (Edit 1) for Motto of the day/December 22, 2009 (per consensus; 3 in support and 1 opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ The strongest bond of human sympathy outside the family relation should be one uniting working people of all nations and tongues and kindreds.=== Not sure about that last link, the entire motto is a bit "meh" anyway, SpitfireTally-ho! 21:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I agree that the last link isn't great, but the motto as a whole is pretty decent. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak support - The last link isn't great, but the moto is still fine. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 21, 2009 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ Hey my children What seems important won't last forever=== "Cancer" (Richard Patrick/Frank Cavanagh), Filter, Title of Record (1999) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I like the motto, and the links convey a good reminder. Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I really like it, great message! WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:08, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. The message is timeless. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 23:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:41, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

→ The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
Hmm, not sure about this, SpitfireTally-ho! 21:46, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I really like the quote, but the links don't seem to fit to me. Not sure what to suggest instead; I'll think on it.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - I don't mind this version but I like edit 1 most. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:14, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

====→ The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.====
 * Edit one: Obviously, no deletionist would see an XfD candidate in an FA, so there is some asymmetry between the links. <font style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  00:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:08, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - The linking in this version is fantastic, and sends an excellent message. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Fantastic moto! WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support. The links here are just brilliant...great job! --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 20:33, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Try before you buy
I think I'll leave the second link as i think it may work even though it was was by accident Simply south (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The second link doesn't fit. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Nutiketaiel. Edit 1 is better. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:11, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

in favour of edit 1. Simply south (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Try before you buy
What i meant. Simply south (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - These links are much more appropriate. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Better links. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:12, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Much much better. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 20:35, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

→ Great leaders inspire greatness in others.
Secret Saturdays  (talk to me) 00:00, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Not bad, not bad. The links are very appropriate.  Is this really being attributed to that shitty cartoon, though?  Surely this quote was said by somebody else and then taken by the cartoon?  I'm certain I've heard it before.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that it originated from here. And PS:compared to the other cartoons about Star Wars, this one is pretty golden. Secret Saturdays   (talk to me) 01:41, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - That's like saying "compared to the other monkeys who have gotten behind the wheel, THIS monkey is a good driver." Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

And I bet that monkey is one of those that are typing Shakespeare's work right now. :) Secret Saturdays   (talk to me) 04:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - per Nutiketaiel. PS: I'm not supporting it just because this monkey happens to be able to drive! WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. The links are good and quote is fine, despite where it came from. PS: I think this is the only conversation I’ve ever heard where the subject of an adolescent cartoon led into the subject of a complex probability theorem in only a couple sentences. Bravo for pulling that one off :) --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 23:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Almost any time monkeys are mentioned, the Infinite Monkey Theorum is bound to come up within a few sentences. This is not the first time those monkeys have been brought up at MotD, either.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:18, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ Peace on earth, good will to men Is the greatest gift of all=== Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton, "The Greatest Gift of All" (1984) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:31, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I like the sentiment, but the link to WikiSolve kind of ruins it for me. It's a page with a wierd premise that admits it has nothing to do with building an encyclopedia and which hasn't been updated since 2006.  I'm thinking of tagging it historical.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What about WP:CIVIL or WP:FIVE? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Either of those suggestions would work for me. WP:FIVE stays closer to your intention with the original link, while WP:CIVIL would be more easily understood by readers and fit better with "good will."  Either will do the trick nicely.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't like the link for good will. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

====→ Peace on earth, good will to men Is the greatest gift of all==== Edit 1 - per Nutiketaiel, I Support this edit. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook  18:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

in favour of edit 2. Simply south (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

====→ Peace on earth, good will to men Is the greatest gift of all==== Edit 2 - per Nutiketaiel, this edit has my Strong support. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook  18:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per my above. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. These are definitely the best links. --- Artichoke-Boy  (talk)(sign) 23:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ per consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

→ We all need to have a creative outlet - a window, a space - so we don't lose track of ourselves
Unsure of my a window link plus maybe lose track could be WP:VOA? <span style="background:#fff;border:1px solid #048;color:#048;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;xytram&#0149; tk cs gy 12:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - I like the quote, but neither WP:GAME nor WP:VOA make alot of sense for "lose track." Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support ~ I like the quote too, but I don't like very much the WP:CREATE link for "a space". What about Sandbox??? It is not needed, but it is very useful. And, what about using Defending article quality, WP:PAGE or something similar for "lose track"??? –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Question - How do those relate to "lose track"? Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Re: it was just an idea... the quality or the history track of an article, ...to not lose the track of our edits. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - Last link doesn't make sense. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   09:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

====→ We all need to have a creative outlet - a window, a space - so we don't lose track of ourselves==== Edit 1 Links amended as per Pjoef. wp:Defending article quality works well since over the lifespan of an article with so many edits it can messy. <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;xytram&#0149; tk ct gy 12:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - The new linking does not make as much sense as the original. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support per me. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 09:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak support - I still don't think the link is great. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   09:28, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 00:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

- no consensus. Simply south (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

→ Those who can make you believe absurdities, can also make you commit atrocities
Original French: "...qui est en droit de vous rendre absurde est en droit de vous rendre injuste". I meant this for Voltaire's (or more correctly, François-Marie Arouet) birthday (21 November), but I must have forgotten or something. <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  03:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - The linking in this version is excellent, and I love the message. Nicely done.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Great message. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 15, 2009 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

→ Those who can make you believe absurdities, can also make you commit atrocities
Edit one - Similar alternative; slightly different links. <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  03:35, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support (both versions) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:35, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - While I prefer the original version, this version would also be acceptable to me. I think the first version carries more meaning, while this version is funnier.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:40, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of the original) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

One of your five-a-day
Simply south (talk) 11:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Question - I don't get it. What's a "five-a-day"?  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a common saying talking about fruit and vegetables being your five-a-day e.g. one nectarine is one of your five-a-day. Simply south (talk) 12:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - I've never heard that saying before, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense anyway. I'm going to have to make my position Weak Oppose, as I don't think alot of people will understand the reference.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:07, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral/Suggestion I've heard of 5-a-day, but it's a British NHS campaign, people outside Britian may not have heard of it. How about Have you had you five-a-day? WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:49, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it limited to the UK? And its not just used by the NHS Simply south (talk) 19:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply/Suggestion - I don't think so, wikipedia has an article about it and it mentions the USA as well as the UK. As wikipedia has an article on it I suggest there is an arrow link (→) to it. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   19:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Have you had your five-a-day?
Edit 1 per WVRMad Simply south (talk) 19:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: you => your: Spelling fixed. <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  23:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:43, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - I still don't think it makes a whole lot of sense, but if it is a common saying in Britain, it makes little sense for me to oppose it just because my American ass hasn't heard of it before. I prefer Edit 1, though.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support There is even an article on it! Used in the US and UK <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;padding:1px;">&#0149;martyx&#0149; tk ct gy 15:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 14, 2009 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Together, Everyone Achieves More.
Links could be changed to better links. -- <font face="Mistral"> SRE.K.A.L. | L.A.K.ERS ]] 07:13, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - The links are fine, I've just never been fond of this particular cliche. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I learned this phrasing of "TEAM" in my leadership sessions. There are probably a million other acronyms you can make up from "TEAM", but this one fits great with Wikipedia and MOTD. -- <font face="Mistral"> SRE.K.A.L. | L.A.K.ERS ]] 06:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Very good. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   18:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 13, 2009 (per consensus; X in support and X opposed) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

→ Knowledge grows when shared
WIKIPEDIA FOREVER! :) 76.228.196.191 (talk) 03:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I presume you mean the poet, and not the grammarian? <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva"> Intelligent  sium  04:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak support - WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   13:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I am making a direct effort to ignore the all caps exclamation recalling our appalling fundraising campaign that the nominator put in to explain the motto. Regardless, the motto itself is not too bad and the links are appropriate.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:28, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 12, 2009 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Cover before you smother
Simply south (talk) 11:09, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:25, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Question - Cover what? I don't get it.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Its meaning talk it out instead of going into an edit war. Simply south (talk) 17:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I like the meaning, but I think the motto is too unclear to get that meaning across. Nutiketaiel (talk) 19:46, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support What Nutiketaiel said, but I think this deserves a spot on the schedule. -- <font face="Mistral"> SRE.K.A.L. | L.A.K.ERS ]] 06:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 07:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 11, 2009 (per bland consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

===→ Treat a man as he is, he will remain so. Treat a man the way he can be and ought to be, and he will become as he can be and should be.=== Hmm, hope you like this one, SpitfireTally-ho! 22:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose/Suggestion - I'm not sure about the last line I don't like the link for 'can be and ought to be'. Maybe you could have something linking to User Rehab? WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   17:34, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I agree with WVRMad's link suggestion. I also do not like the implication in the first line that there is some kind of problem with warning Vandals.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

(in favour of Edit 1) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

====→ Treat a man as he is, he will remain so. Treat a man the way he can be and ought to be, and he will become as he can be and should be.==== Edit 1 - Changed the first link to something I feel is more appropriate. Also incorporated WVRMad's suggestion for the last link. This version has my Support. Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support I agree this is a better version, gets the message across in a clearer fashion. SpitfireTally-ho! 14:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - I also like the fact that you didn't link "as he can be and should be" to WP:ADMIN. I was bracing myself for that, but when I saw it was from Nutiket...I should have known. Quite refreshing. :) &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 21:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support Great message, well-linked. Great! Icy  // ♫ 01:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 10, 2009 (per WP:SNOW) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:17, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

→ If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make that change
Avoid too many CTW ones but i may work better without the world link. Simply south (talk) 18:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support! –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Excellent message. I love it when we encourage users to sign up.  As for the "world" link, I think it's OK.  I wouldn't have a problem with removing it, but I'm fine with keeping it as well.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong support - per Nutiketaiel. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   16:59, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 9, 2009 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

===→When I find myself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.=== A famous line from the Beatles song let it be. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook  17:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong support, i really like the links and message. Simply south (talk) 18:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - Not bad, not bad at all. The last link is very clever, I think.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 8, 2009 (per consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

→ Say I do, I do, I do, I do, I do
Simply south (talk) 23:29, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral - There's nothing wrong with it but there it is pretty boring and there are way to many mottos link to WP:BOLD. Save it for a slow news day if we want to use it. WVRMAD • Talk  • Guestbook   11:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Support ~ I changed two "i" from lowercase to uppercase. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - There's nothing inherently wrong with it, but I agree with WVRMad that it is pretty boring. Use it on a slow news day.  Nutiketaiel (talk) 12:17, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Support - That would be an extra-slow news day. &mdash; La Pianista  ♫ ♪ 21:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

✅ for Motto of the day/December 7, 2009 (per bland consensus) –p joe f (talk • contribs) 08:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)